Did Malcolm McLaren Invent Punk? (bass, rock, single, The Ramones)

~~ADELE~~ · 02-08-2008, 05:43 PM

He started with the New York Dolls and then made the Sex Pistols. So I guess he made Punk. He claims he did and it was all his own idea when the Dolls wanted to be the Stones and he showed them how then invented the Pistols which led to the Clash and every other UK punk outfit.

SATCHMO · 02-08-2008, 07:07 PM

What!!!!!!!

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-08-2008, 07:08 PM

No he just thinks he did.

And he only managed the New York Dolls in their final year.

~~ADELE~~ · 02-08-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

No he just thinks he did.

And he only managed the New York Dolls in their final year.

I don't even think it was called punk worldwide till the pistols were invented and he did invent them. They were his brainchild let's face it.
Punk only began with the pistols. The Clash formed after seeing them so did the Buzz****s and even the Smiths (not punk I know).
I don't reckon the dolls even knew what punk was at the time. The Ramones could be the first but I think it was the pistols and the UK that invented punk music as we know it. He invented them and so he does have a claim to say he invented the whole movement.
If he didn't who did?

sleepy jack · 02-08-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ADELE

I don't even think it was called punk worldwide till the pistols were invented and he did invent them. They were his brainchild let's face it.

The term punk has been around long before the Sex Pistols, you're overrating them.

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Punk only began with the pistols. The Clash formed after seeing them so did the Buzz****s and even the Smiths (not punk I know).

The Smiths and The Clash's formation had nothing to do with the Sex Pistols. I don't even know how you could think The Smiths formed after seeing them seeing as they formed several years after the Pistols broke up.

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I don't reckon the dolls even knew what punk was at the time. The Ramones could be the first but I think it was the pistols and the UK that invented punk music as we know it.

The Ramones came before the Pistols, they were punk. Also there's The Stooges too they came way before the Pistols and they were influential to punk and very punky.

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He invented them and so he does have a claim to say he invented the whole movement.
If he didn't who did?

The Sex Pistols weren't even the first punk sounding band. Their image wasn't original either. McLaren just saw what Richard Hell was doing and brought it over the UK.

SATCHMO · 02-08-2008, 09:02 PM

If malcom Mclaren were born 20 years later he'd likely be credited for inventing the boy band.

right-track · 02-09-2008, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO

If malcom Mclaren were born 20 years later he'd likely be credited for inventing the boy band.

^ This is probably very true.

McClaren was a businessman, an entrepreneur with an eye for what was going on around him.
He mismanaged everything he did, brilliantly.
Very similar to Tony Wilson in that respect...both were twats, both were Situationists.

@Lizzie...There is an argument that Vivienne Westwood (his wife) had as much to do with punk, at least as the fashion side of things went.
Without her input, the whole punk image would have had less impact.
And lets face it, the whole punk movement was as much about what people were wearing, as it was about the music.

xcassiusx · 02-14-2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO

If malcom Mclaren were born 20 years later he'd likely be credited for inventing the boy band.

Although jokingly (somewhat), Mclaren has been called the inventor of the first boy band, because he tossed some strangers together, they didn't write some of their own lyrics, and even managed to give them stage names. He ran a lot of the operations, and besides bringing in a member whom they werent even familar with, he was mainly brought in due to his apperance and reputation, rather than musical aspects and not being able to play an instrument. I'm not sure if it's true, but I've even heard rumors where at times, there was a bassist behind the scenes who played during a couple of shows while sid just attempted to while being unplugged or his amp being on (instrument-syncing, just like lip syncing?)

Boy band? I think so. Or almost, to say the least.

ProggyMan · 02-15-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by xcassiusx

Although jokingly (somewhat), Mclaren has been called the inventor of the first boy band, because he tossed some strangers together, they didn't write some of their own lyrics, and even managed to give them stage names. He ran a lot of the operations, and besides bringing in a member whom they werent even familar with, he was mainly brought in due to his apperance and reputation, rather than musical aspects and not being able to play an instrument. I'm not sure if it's true, but I've even heard rumors where at times, there was a bassist behind the scenes who played during a couple of shows while sid just attempted to while being unplugged or his amp being on (instrument-syncing, just like lip syncing?)

Boy band? I think so. Or almost, to say the least.

Not to mention the Glen Matlock thing...Such bull****.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-15-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by xcassiusx

I'm not sure if it's true, but I've even heard rumors where at times, there was a bassist behind the scenes who played during a couple of shows while sid just attempted to while being unplugged or his amp being on (instrument-syncing, just like lip syncing?)

It's not true.
If you've ever heard any Sex Pistols bootlegs you'll know it's Sid playing alright.
If there was a bassist playing behind the scenes then judging from the gigs i've listened to then he was just as bad at playing as Sid was.

He could actually play a small amount , Lemmy from Motorhead taught him.
He'd just play the same tune for every song.

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Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,626	No he just thinks he did. And he only managed the New York Dolls in their final year. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

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