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cardboard adolescent 03-29-2008 05:26 PM

yeah, good counter argument

i'll present a real argument:
verlaine does the whole introspective thing very well,
but hell was the premier punk poet before punk even existed.

GravitySlips 03-30-2008 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent (Post 460902)
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i think hell is much better in terms of lyrics

Hell is a good lyricist, definitely. He's written some books as well I think, I'd like to read those sometime because I do think he's a talented guy. Just not big on the music.

I'm gonna relisten to Blank Generation and focus more on the lyrics, maybe it'll click with me that way.

sweet_nothing 03-30-2008 10:56 AM

Tom is a much better lyricist i can only remeber lyrics from 2 hell songs 'blank generation' and 'love comes in spruts' (the neon boy's version it's also one of my favorite songs of all time). Richard Hell is best remember for 1 song and Televesion is best remembered for 1 album. Tom's lyrics stick with me

Malicious Wakizashi 04-08-2008 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 426735)
I think it was like Alex or someone from Franz Ferdinand who said something like "I admire Marquee Moon more than I enjoy it." that's basically my thoughts on the album.

I would say its the opposite for me. I admire the album, but I enjoy it more.

Rainard Jalen 04-08-2008 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Malicious Wakizashi (Post 465917)
I would say its the opposite for me. I admire the album, but I enjoy it more.

The opposite would be that "you enjoy it more than you admire it". Which would suggest not admiring it an awful not. As the reverse suggests not enjoying it an awful not.

Malicious Wakizashi 04-08-2008 05:30 PM

You enjoy it more than you admire it = I admire the album, but I
enjoy it more.

Thats the same thing.

Enjoyment > Admiration

Which does not necessarily mean I don't admire it a lot. You can
enjoy it and admire it a lot at the same time.

But this is completely meaningless, as my point was that I like
listening to the album.

Rainard Jalen 04-08-2008 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malicious Wakizashi (Post 465956)
You enjoy it more than you admire it = I admire the album, but I
enjoy it more.

Thats the same thing.

Enjoyment > Admiration

Which does not necessarily mean I don't admire it a lot. You can
enjoy it and admire it a lot at the same time.

But this is completely meaningless, as my point was that I like
listening to the album.

NO YOU DON'T!

nickcavewasawesome 07-07-2008 08:32 PM

Television is amazing, but its strange that they got lumped into punk. The guitar work is lightyears beyond what was called punk.

15Steps 07-08-2008 04:55 AM

elevation is an incredible song.
the album is in my top 5 of all time.

WaspStar 07-08-2008 05:42 AM

I have to be honest here and side with the detractors. When I first heard Marquee Moon, it floored me. I told everyone I knew about it. I played it for everyone who would listen. The thing is...I haven't really felt the urge to play it since then, and whenever I do play it, it doesn't do much for me. I still love the riff to Elevation, but I really can't say that I enjoy listening to the album.


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