I DL'd 24 Hour Revenge Therapy a few months back and though it was decent enough but it didn't really standout and grab my attention...

Was it in January? I drooled myself silly over that show, but never did make it down to Berkeley. It's kind of a bitch too because they were doing all these shows around me (I think they did SF and Santa Rosa too) and I really wanted to see them, but I never had the time/gas/money. And then, of course, they broke up a few months later and now Blake's playing with forgetters.

I really haven't looked into them yet because of their pretentious-ass name.

yeah those shows....its actually a real shame they broke up....as the recording of the Gilman show is really good....nice to see Blake playing punk rock again...don't get me wrong i love Jets To Brazil....it's just nice to hear faster tunes....whats crazy is they actually recorded an album....there must be masters so hopefully it gets released or at least leaked out somehow :)

YouTube - THORNS OF LIFE @ 924 Gilman PART 1
^you can watch the entire show...good quality too

hopefully forgetters actually pans out...i havn't heard any news

Violent & Funky...i don't know if 24 hour revenge therapy is the best place to start...its by far my absolute favorite Jawbreaker album...but Dear You is much cleaner and has better sound and recording....

Sweet, thanks for the link. I'm glad someone was smart and snagged a recording... I'm watching it now and am slowly falling in love.

Let's hope the album gets leaked or released eventually. I'm gonna be severely dissapointed if it doesn't.

i have a copy of that recording....if you need it uploaded....it's pretty available online

did you know that Blake won best looking professor of Hunter College a couple years back?

"Yes, the documentary is still on, still being made. The hold up is that Keith and Tim have yet to find a distributor who is willing to pony up the closing costs to finish this thing (flights, editing time, blowing it up to 35mm. etc.). So they are doing this as a labor of love in between their regular gigs and family time. I trust this love bodes well for the finished product. A few months back they came to SF and we got some really great footage with all three of us and Billy Anderson (who worked on Bivouac, 24 Hour Revenge Therapy and a couple one-offs as a producer/engineer). We even played together, but didn't roll footage out of both respect for the sanctity of the moment and fear that we'd suck. Anyway, I have audio of it. Maybe I'll post that some day."

i can't wait for this documentary to surface

Ha. No, I didn't know that. That's kind of funny, I never thought he was that attractive. :P

I can't wait for the documentary, either. I'm hoping it gets finished soon.

Forgetters: S/t | Midheaven Mailorder

^ New forgetters coming out in late September. Their first release. I don't have the ten bucks for it, but I'm pretty interested in how it's going to sound.

Bannister, I listened to Basilica, Chemistry, and some other Jawbreaker songs off their myspace (Bivouac, Chesterfield King, Accident Prone and others). I felt they play very proficiently, but the songs seemed a little generic to me, not much different from others I've heard in this genre. I wished the guitar parts had more creative solo sections or more playful interplay with the vocal line. Plus, I'm not so fond of the lead singer's voice.

Maybe my not-so-enthusiastic response to Jawbreaker is that I was comparing them to music by All, which I was also listening to today on their myspace. All's music sounds similar, although All seems to play mostly light and somewhat humorous love songs! I prefer All's songs because I feel they use more peculiar chord patterns that make the music more distinctive to me than Jawbreaker's.

Here, maybe you can hear what I mean by comparing two songs I like from Jawbreaker and All that I feel sound similar, but I like the All song more:

Jawbreaker - Want



All - Million Bucks (I prefer this song, despite it being sappy love song, which amuses me, because the instrumentals wouldn't make me expect a love song, and the singers don't look at all lovey dovey. I like the bass and guitar lines very much!)

personally i love both All and Jawbreaker....and although they both get lumped in the same broad category i think they are pretty different in lyrical intent and musically

All is just straight forward good times and as you said take a light hearted approach....with great poppy songs....even when dealing with kind sad subjects...really noticeable in their early days when Dave Smalley was doing vocals


whereas Jawbreaker takes a bit of darker more depressive approach


and yeah it's hard to like Jawbreaker if you don't like Blake's voice....it's pretty unique...

I agree, bob, that based on the songs I've heard, Jawbreaker definitely has a more poetic and depressive approach in their lyrics, which I prefer to the simpler ones of All, which are *very* poppy but kind of sweet in an eye-rollingly simple way.

For example, I like these lines from Jawbreaker's Condition Oakland: "There's keys in their eyes but they lock from the inside." And I like these lines from Basilica: "You can't have a flower of stone. Never let this soil come between us. I'm asking you on a date for the rest of your life."

Meanwhile, All is singing in Just Perfect: "I'm the only one who can make you see that you're the only girl in the world for me." Groan! So super sweet it is almost cloying.

Musically, it sounds to me as if Jawbreaker plays more with changing time signatures...a little bit more like Rush...which is nice, but even in Condition Oakland the song seems based on fairly predictable guitar chords in harmony with the singer's voice, without as much going on compared to in the All song, where I can hear the guitar toodling along every once in a while with more individuality or personality compared to in the Jawbreaker song. Maybe I just like songs where the guitar parts do their own thing and are in more of a duet with the singer.

Mind you, all this is based on my only listening to some of the songs of the groups, not all of them! So, my opinion might change. What do you hear as the main musical difference between the two groups (focusing on what the instruments are doing)?

so here i am trying to listen to both All and Jawbreaker in an attempt to break down the musical differences for you....and i'm listening to Descendents

so i'll say this Jawbreaker is straight forward three chord punk rock...every now and then they pull out more harmony....but really their major appeal is in their lyrics

All is a group of seasoned musicians "all" of which were in one of the greatest bands ever to come from the LA punk scene of the 80s and by far one of the more unique in the fact that they add musical harmony to their music....All continued this...plus they wrote what is in my opinion one of the greatest punk rock songs ever


i would take Descendents any day over both