nikhil

ok, here's the deal from the very beginning

dinosaurs came into existance. the most dangerous among them was tyrannosaurous rex. then came the ica age and the light bulb was invented. then came the sex pistols and they were signed onto the label EMI. now people got pissed off cuz rotten said "****" on national tv so people said "what the **** EMI ?!" so emi dropped them

then came indie music, who along with punks discarded corporate labels (now known as the big 4, EMI, sony bmg, warner (reprise) and universal) BECAUSE

1] corporate labels always want things done yesterday and tend to make the sound of the band pop-isque cuz they wanna sell more albums and the albums that sell are pop albums (for example guns n roses)

2] corporate labels also tend to take control of the musical direction of the band. i.e. they're always saying "shorten up the hook", "sing it like this", "don't scream" and "hey, billie joe, where's my god-damn coffee? i asked for it 5 minutes ago" and stuff so basically, the music that you hear from a corporate band isn't actually the kinda music that they make, its something that the corps wanna sell you, so they can make money and suck your blood when you die

Independent labels still mainly provide support in the business aspects of music, similar to the way a major label might, though on a much smaller and less demanding scale. The downside of independent labels, is the fact they often lack the finances to compete with corporate labels in terms of promotion and initial financial support a major might provide an artist with.

so, green day could've signed onto another label without selling out to reprise like they did. the band is special no doubt, but there's a reason why punks like the first two genius albums (off an independant label) than nimrod and the other pop horse **** they produced later on

sleepy jack

The first two albums really aren't that different from the the stuff they later put out bar american idiot.

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nikhil

hell yeah they are my friend! please get your resources right before you reply

sleepy jack

I forgot their early records weren't generic pop-punk they were hardcore right?

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nikhil

yeah, and this was before reprise signed them.. now, music that's made keeping in mind the enormous sales they're supposed to make, and i remember when i heard boulevard, i thought it was the best song green day had ever made. cuz i heard warning (the album) before that and i didn't like it at all. but then i came to know that green day was a punk band, and the first thing that came to my mind was that green day was in no way punk... boulevard's a great song but its not a great punk song, it really isn't... it was MADE for the billboard charts, clearly was...

and green day have been living off the "us doing this is the most punk thing ever" thing for way too long, they said it when they released good riddance and now when they went to the vma's or something and said "hail pop"

infact, pop music is what most people refer to rock and roll, like the rolling stones and motley crue, also known as ***-rock

Frances

I don't find Kerplunk! that great at all, haven't heard the other one though.

nikhil

but it was respectable man, unlike the other albums (after 1994)

sleepy jack

Respectable music>better music?

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nikhil

yeah

Mr Nic

What complete and utter boll - locks. Green Day are masters of the art of great 3 minute punk-pop songs. This was evident right from the very start and probably earlier (when you listen to the other pre-Green Day stuff). From 39 Smooth to Nimrod they just kept on at what they were good at. From Warning onwards they seem to have lost the plot a bit. I personally couldn't give a sh*t about what label they're on.

Respectable music > better music? No
Good music = good music
Sh*t music = sh*t music