Emo is the best punk music (hardcore, pop, genre, albums)

cardboard adolescent · 05-09-2007, 07:47 PM

The fact is that you can't deny the fact that cultural relevancy is what drives semantic drift, and that putting people down because they accept the more well-known associations of emo is, by definition, elitist, because it assumes that the view of a minority is somehow "more correct" than the view of the majority, when words only mean what we take them to mean. Sure, one has a better foundation, but most people don't really care, and it isn't going to change the fact that when in two decades people talk about the emo fad that they'll be referring to MCR.

swim · 05-09-2007, 07:48 PM

Ian's on the record of saying a lot things and not all of them I'd go parading around. I actually love that video when he's doing an embrace show and he's like "Emotive hardcore? As if hardcore wasn't emotional enough." I think Rites of Spring and Embrace are very far stretch to being said being a different genre, [that's what I've been wanting someone to say!] but I think at Moss Icon I think there's a definite this is something different. When not only there's a different vocal approach but there's a different playing style and there's a different feel and attitude about it all.

swim · 05-09-2007, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

The fact is that you can't deny the fact that cultural relevancy is what drives semantic drift, and that putting people down because they accept the more well-known associations of emo is, by definition, elitist, because it assumes that the view of a minority is somehow "more correct" than the view of the majority, when words only mean what we take them to mean. Sure, one has a better foundation, but most people don't really care, and it isn't going to change the fact that when in two decades people talk about the emo fad that they'll be referring to MCR.

New misconceptions don't erase the original meaning though. If I told millions of little kids that a fish was called a rock and they would refer to it as such then what about all the people who have always known a fish as a fish.

cardboard adolescent · 05-09-2007, 08:07 PM

It's not like it doesn't happen... to go for an extreme example the English word "black" is actually derived from a slavic word for white. But nobody's arguing that "black" actually means white since that's what it originally meant.

So, if most people believed that a fish was actually called a "rock," you could basically get with the times or keep refering to it as a "fish" and just confuse people.

PopIsDead · 05-09-2007, 08:08 PM

I'm a fan of confusion. Chaos is my idea of fun.

cardboard adolescent · 05-09-2007, 08:36 PM

Try eating 14 woodrose seeds. That's chaos in a box.

PopIsDead · 05-09-2007, 08:46 PM

Thanks for the suggestion!

Trauma · 05-09-2007, 09:24 PM

My two cents are: There is no reason to get flamed for not knowing about a genre (but we provided him with information), Mushie was pretty much in the wrong, and I concur with swim's idea that genres are like pillars, once they are originally set, you can't change them ten years later just because a new form of music comes along, and you can't compare genres to language, there's a major difference between thousands of years (not to mention music is based off sound, genres are products of sound, words are products of the understanding and communication of a majority, genres are like a filing system, not to be shaken because of different connotations later attained by a majority).

Taylor · 05-11-2007, 07:23 PM

Man, I really liked that Mushie guy. It's sad he had to leave.

Anyways, yeah I've said my part my 2 cents are in, and I'm out.

It's also pretty sad how...well nevermind.

~~CAPTAIN CAVEMAN~~ · 05-11-2007, 07:33 PM

Why would you start to type something and then just type "nevermind"?

If it wasn't important, then wouldn't you just delete what you were about to type?

05-09-2007, 07:48 PM	#132 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,188	Ian's on the record of saying a lot things and not all of them I'd go parading around. I actually love that video when he's doing an embrace show and he's like "Emotive hardcore? As if hardcore wasn't emotional enough." I think Rites of Spring and Embrace are very far stretch to being said being a different genre, [that's what I've been wanting someone to say!] but I think at Moss Icon I think there's a definite this is something different. When not only there's a different vocal approach but there's a different playing style and there's a different feel and attitude about it all. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

05-09-2007, 08:08 PM	#135 (permalink)
PopIsDead Edgyswingsetacid Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 342	I'm a fan of confusion. Chaos is my idea of fun. __________________ "No one likes a smart-ass but we all like stars."

05-09-2007, 08:46 PM	#137 (permalink)
PopIsDead Edgyswingsetacid Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 342	Thanks for the suggestion! __________________ "No one likes a smart-ass but we all like stars."

05-09-2007, 09:24 PM	#138 (permalink)
Trauma snickers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: detroit Posts: 2,194	My two cents are: There is no reason to get flamed for not knowing about a genre (but we provided him with information), Mushie was pretty much in the wrong, and I concur with swim's idea that genres are like pillars, once they are originally set, you can't change them ten years later just because a new form of music comes along, and you can't compare genres to language, there's a major difference between thousands of years (not to mention music is based off sound, genres are products of sound, words are products of the understanding and communication of a majority, genres are like a filing system, not to be shaken because of different connotations later attained by a majority). __________________ A mi no me importa nada Para mi la vida es un sueño

05-09-2007, 07:47 PM	#131 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	The fact is that you can't deny the fact that cultural relevancy is what drives semantic drift, and that putting people down because they accept the more well-known associations of emo is, by definition, elitist, because it assumes that the view of a minority is somehow "more correct" than the view of the majority, when words only mean what we take them to mean. Sure, one has a better foundation, but most people don't really care, and it isn't going to change the fact that when in two decades people talk about the emo fad that they'll be referring to MCR.

05-09-2007, 08:07 PM	#134 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	It's not like it doesn't happen... to go for an extreme example the English word "black" is actually derived from a slavic word for white. But nobody's arguing that "black" actually means white since that's what it originally meant. So, if most people believed that a fish was actually called a "rock," you could basically get with the times or keep refering to it as a "fish" and just confuse people.

05-09-2007, 08:36 PM	#136 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	Try eating 14 woodrose seeds. That's chaos in a box.

05-11-2007, 07:23 PM	#139 (permalink)
Taylor Groupie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 38	Man, I really liked that Mushie guy. It's sad he had to leave. Anyways, yeah I've said my part my 2 cents are in, and I'm out. It's also pretty sad how...well nevermind.

05-11-2007, 07:33 PM	#140 (permalink)
~~CAPTAIN CAVEMAN~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: VAN Posts: 2,530	Why would you start to type something and then just type "nevermind"? If it wasn't important, then wouldn't you just delete what you were about to type?