Pop Punks Not Dead (alternative, hardcore, pop, rock, albums)

swim · 03-07-2007, 04:04 PM

All those genres came after pop punk though. If pop punk isn't plain punk then what is.

acratertocoffin · 03-07-2007, 04:18 PM

It's true, plain punk is pop punk. Ramones, Sex Pistols, Bad Religion, Clash, Rancid, Casualties, all these bands that are considered "punk" just play pop songs with "anti establishment" lyrics. Anything that goes against the grain is what Snickers said. Straight punk that isn't mainstream is a paradox.

Trauma · 03-07-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

All those genres came after pop punk though. If pop punk isn't plain punk then what is.

No, anarcho punk came around about the same time as popular punk acts.
That alone makes your argument flawed.

Besides, just because punk bands like The Sex Pistols and The Ramones were highly marketed, it doesn't mean they set the standard for all punk to come.

Also, art punk bands like Television, Wire, and Suicide came well before The Ramones and The Clash, they were the bands first referred to as punk, so why aren't you calling art punk plain punk?

This argument also applies to other genres, for instance, emo.
Usurp Synapse doesn't sound like Rites of Spring, but they are both in the same genre, screamo being a subgenre of emo.

Though detestable, popular punk is a subgenre of punk.

swim · 03-07-2007, 04:26 PM

Wire did not come before the Sex Pistols or Ramones. They came out a couple years after. What anarcho band came before Sex Pistols or Ramones? Not saying you're wrong. I honestly just can't find one and so prove me wrong if you're going to prove me wrong.

Trauma · 03-07-2007, 04:42 PM

CRASS came out in '77.
Nevermind the Bollocks was released in '77 and The Ramones s/t was '76.
Unlike groups like Black Flag and The Circle Jerks though, they created themselves based on their own opinions, not from a pre-conceived notion of punk.
When The Sex Pistols, The Clash, and The Ramones began to get really popular, they saw it as a complete paradox, punk was originally supposed to rebel against mainstream music, not become it.
Their attitude towards the success of some of the early "punk" bands is why I consider those bands "popular punk" and not just plain punk.
You could see it your way too, I'm not saying it's wrong, technically you're correct, those bands did originate a definite sound for the industry (which is what genres are based off), I'm just saying that I consider The Sex Pistols and The Ramones popular punk, and acts like CRASS plain punk.
I see subgenres like hardcore and anarcho punk being true punk, not punk that first became popular.

Immortal Wombat · 03-08-2007, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

All those genres came after pop punk though. If pop punk isn't plain punk then what is.

eeeeeeh ...........................Punk?

The Dave · 03-08-2007, 08:11 AM

You all are spamming the hell out of my thread. Talk about the damn comp.

acratertocoffin · 03-08-2007, 08:13 AM

I'll check it out on your site after I go to sleep for the first time in 36 hours. Yay.

Anyway, Snickers you're argument encompasses the entire genre of everything that could be remotely considered punk, which is stretching it a bit much. Regular first wave Rancid/Bad Religion/Ramones/Sex Pistols punk is pop punk in that it is popular and mainstream, but the other stuff isn't. Okay.

SocialFornication · 03-10-2007, 11:10 AM

Interestingly enough... bands play for various reasons. Punk is amusing because it's rebellious and "underground".

Well what happens when a punk band becomes famous? Are they no longer punk? lol... punk is a style and attitude... not a fame factor. Just because a band becomes mainstream doesn't mean they're not punk.

Trauma · 03-10-2007, 04:22 PM

Wow you are incredibly perceptive.

What do you call it when a "punk" band is purposely setting out to become popular though?

Popular punk is not punk.
Punk is dead.

03-07-2007, 04:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,188	All those genres came after pop punk though. If pop punk isn't plain punk then what is. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

03-07-2007, 04:26 PM	#14 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,188	Wire did not come before the Sex Pistols or Ramones. They came out a couple years after. What anarcho band came before Sex Pistols or Ramones? Not saying you're wrong. I honestly just can't find one and so prove me wrong if you're going to prove me wrong. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

03-07-2007, 04:42 PM	#15 (permalink)
Trauma snickers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: detroit Posts: 2,194	CRASS came out in '77. Nevermind the Bollocks was released in '77 and The Ramones s/t was '76. Unlike groups like Black Flag and The Circle Jerks though, they created themselves based on their own opinions, not from a pre-conceived notion of punk. When The Sex Pistols, The Clash, and The Ramones began to get really popular, they saw it as a complete paradox, punk was originally supposed to rebel against mainstream music, not become it. Their attitude towards the success of some of the early "punk" bands is why I consider those bands "popular punk" and not just plain punk. You could see it your way too, I'm not saying it's wrong, technically you're correct, those bands did originate a definite sound for the industry (which is what genres are based off), I'm just saying that I consider The Sex Pistols and The Ramones popular punk, and acts like CRASS plain punk. I see subgenres like hardcore and anarcho punk being true punk, not punk that first became popular. __________________ A mi no me importa nada Para mi la vida es un sueño

03-10-2007, 04:22 PM	#20 (permalink)
Trauma snickers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: detroit Posts: 2,194	Wow you are incredibly perceptive. What do you call it when a "punk" band is purposely setting out to become popular though? Popular punk is not punk. Punk is dead. __________________ A mi no me importa nada Para mi la vida es un sueño

03-08-2007, 08:11 AM	#17 (permalink)
The Dave Me and The Major Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,830	You all are spamming the hell out of my thread. Talk about the damn comp.

03-10-2007, 11:10 AM	#19 (permalink)
SocialFornication Groupie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 13	Interestingly enough... bands play for various reasons. Punk is amusing because it's rebellious and "underground". Well what happens when a punk band becomes famous? Are they no longer punk? lol... punk is a style and attitude... not a fame factor. Just because a band becomes mainstream doesn't mean they're not punk.