Proto-punk

Sneer · 10-28-2006, 07:01 PM

suicide i'd say in their early career were more influential to the electroclash movement and in their latter career owed more to post-punk and indie-rock. Their techno/drum machine combo was admittedly way ahead of its time and the vocals were i suppose quite punk..but they dont really cut it for me in terms of proto-punk.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 10-28-2006, 06:58 PM

I don`t know if you could really call Suicide an influence , I`d say they were more like contemporaries as far as punk goes.

I`d say they were more an influence for 80s music, bands like Throbbing Gristle , Cabaret Voltaire & Clock DVA rather than punk.

TheWaitingRoom · 12-13-2006, 04:19 PM

gang of four were special. still sound special today. wire too.

runawaymylilnightmare · 11-17-2006, 07:51 AM

big old school fan here

i love Iggy Pop and The Stooges, MC5 and The Who

A lot of these bands had a big influence on what came to be grunge and garage rock, as well as punk. Punk has so many sub genres its hard to tell.

I believe The Who was the first band to destroy their instruments on stage. if you watch the Monterey Pop festival.

"All of it was made for you and me, so lets take a ride and see what's mine."

Sneer · 11-17-2006, 08:00 AM

i know the first band actually labelled "punk" was ? & the Mysterians. the seeds, the standelles and the kingsmen are all regarded as influences aswell. the kinks were also early visionaries with davies treatment of an amp and subsequent, distorted, edgy sound you hear on the likes of "you really got me" and "all day and all of the night".

~~hiu~~ · 11-17-2006, 03:07 PM

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Screen13 · 06-09-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu

i know the first band actually labelled "punk" was ? & the Mysterians. the seeds, the standelles and the kingsmen are all regarded as influences aswell. the kinks were also early visionaries with davies treatment of an amp and subsequent, distorted, edgy sound you hear on the likes of "you really got me" and "all day and all of the night".

? and the Mysterians were a damn good band. "96 Tears" (notable but not-so-great cover: The Stranglers) was always a very influential hit, but the B-Side to their follow-up "I Need Somebody" single "Eighteen" (The Alice cooper song of the same name was not a cover) was even better to my ears. The first album is good, although I have not heard their 2'nd (Action, 1967), although "Can't Get Enough of You, Baby" is a single I'm familiar with (I'm sure that it was this version that sparked The Colourfield's alright version, which in turn sparked Smashmouth's irritating mega-hit version).

The Seeds - Live At Merlin's Music Box is a very underlooked album for it has the classic non-hit "Satisfy You" (check it out!) while the first two albums were very good. I'd be careful approaching Future, their attempt to blend in with the Flower Power thing, although "Two Fingers Pointing At You" (Featured in the film Psych-Out) and "Where Is the Entrance Way to Play" are common fan favorites.

Standells - "Try It' - An Ultimate G-Punk anthem! OK, "Dirty Water," too. Oddly enough, the band was led by a one-time member of the Mickey Mouse Club (Their Drummer/singer) and Produced by a member of The Four Preps (Ed Cobb) for their best recordings (They had some very tame recordings before "Dirty Water"). The Try It album is a mixed mix of killer tunes and Ed Cobb trying to get the singer into some kind of Supper Club Soul ("Can't Help But Love You" being a Late '67 single), but the appearance of "All Fall Down" and "Poor Shell of a Man," both pretty interesting original by Organist Larry Tamblyn (Who's Actor brother Russ would appear in Satan's Sadists and Free Grass by '69) really puts the album into must-have status. I'm also a sucker for the cheesy and cool Cult Soundtrack ready "Animal Girl" single, which was their final single unleashed in Early '68.

The Kinks - Their early recordings are a classic formation of Punk Influence, and even the more melodic '66 songs like "A Well Respected Man" and "Dedicated Follower of Fashion" are textbooks in social commentary in their own right. Their Post '67 work up to and including Village Green Preservation Society ('68) and Arthur ('69) are complete 180 Degree turns from the angry sound, but they also have quite an influence that one can hear in The Jam (sharp and witty social commentary in an era of hippie Over-Indulgence.).

The Kingsmen were a little too Frat Party Band for me, but they do have their place in Punk Influences for at least their cover of "Louie Louie."

Also...

The Music Machine ("Talk Talk," "The People in Me," all in black for most of their time, tough and angry music that's also brooding and intelligent. From '66-'68 they were great)

The Rationals (Detroit legend! "Respect," "Leaving Here," "Guitar Army")

Chocolate Watchband (Ed Cobb's other famed G-Punk production assignment when he was also recording The Standells: "Sweet Young Thing," their killer cover of "It's All Over Now Baby Blue," "No Way Out," "Are You Gonna Be There At the Love-In," "Don't Need Your Loving"...I could go on and on!). their third album was too laid-back, but their first two albums are always worth mentioning.

The Sonics - Their first two albums (be aware, their '67 album released on Jerdan is tamed) are excellent. "Psycho," "The Witch," and "Strychnine" should be heard.

cardboard adolescent · 12-13-2006, 05:06 PM

Both are post-punk, but whatever.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-02-2007, 06:54 PM

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Pere Ubu - Fontana Reissues
The four Fontana Years albums, The Tenement Year, Cloudland, Worlds In Collision, and Story Of My Life, will be reissued as individual cds by Universal Music in March 2007. The changes are:

The Tenement Year
The original 1988 Fontana release does not seem to have been mastered. David Thomas and Paul Hamann mastered it January 22-23 2007 at Suma. An alternate mix of Dream The Moon was substituted in the running order and five extras were added: the UK b-sides Postman Drove A Caddy and The B-Side, live in the studio recordings of Miss You and We Have The Technology for the John Peel Show (never previously released), and an alternate mix of The Hollow Earth (never previously released). As well, the sound of thunder that was found on the original Suma mix of the tracks was added - there was clearly some intention of including this somewhere for some reason. The packaging has been updated by John Thompson and added are extensive liner notes specific to the album by David Stubbs.

Cloudland
The album was originally mixed by Paul Hamann at Paisley Park Studios, Minneapolis MN. Subsequently four tracks were re-recorded in London and the others remixed for the 1989 Fontana release. This reissue substitutes in the running order the following Paisley Park mixes by Paul Hamann: Why Go It Alone?, Monday Night, Lost Nation Road, Nevada!, The Wire, The Waltz, and Pushin'. Five extras have been added: the UK b-sides Wine Dark Sparks and Bang The Drum, the Paisley Park mix of Breath (never previously released), Bus Called Happiness recorded live in the studio for the John Peel Show (never previously released), and a dance remix of Love Love Love. The packaging has been updated by John Thompson and added are extensive liner notes specific to the album by David Stubbs.

Worlds In Collision
Four extras have been added, the UK b-sides Around The Fire, Down By The River, Like A Rolling Stone, and Invisible Man. These were demos recorded for what the band refers to as The Lost Album. The packaging has been updated by John Thompson and added are extensive liner notes specific to the album by David Stubbs.

Story Of My Life
Five extras have been added: an alternate mix of Come Home by Stephen Hague (never previously released), the UK b-side Fedora Satellite, and three b-sides recorded for Story Of My Life but never released - Gripless, Through The Windshield and Stoughton 529. The packaging has been updated by John Thompson and added are extensive liner notes specific to the album by David Stubbs.

Better get my wallet out I think

Moon Pix · 02-04-2007, 07:33 AM

Im surprised nobodys mentioned the 13th Floor Elevators or the Fugs.

10-28-2006, 07:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,430	suicide i'd say in their early career were more influential to the electroclash movement and in their latter career owed more to post-punk and indie-rock. Their techno/drum machine combo was admittedly way ahead of its time and the vocals were i suppose quite punk..but they dont really cut it for me in terms of proto-punk. __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show

10-28-2006, 06:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I don`t know if you could really call Suicide an influence , I`d say they were more like contemporaries as far as punk goes. I`d say they were more an influence for 80s music, bands like Throbbing Gristle , Cabaret Voltaire & Clock DVA rather than punk. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

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TheWaitingRoom Groupie Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 14	hmm gang of four were special. still sound special today. wire too.

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runawaymylilnightmare Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 54	big old school fan here i love Iggy Pop and The Stooges, MC5 and The Who A lot of these bands had a big influence on what came to be grunge and garage rock, as well as punk. Punk has so many sub genres its hard to tell. I believe The Who was the first band to destroy their instruments on stage. if you watch the Monterey Pop festival. "All of it was made for you and me, so lets take a ride and see what's mine." Last edited by runawaymylilnightmare; 11-17-2006 at 08:10 AM.

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Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,430	i know the first band actually labelled "punk" was ? & the Mysterians. the seeds, the standelles and the kingsmen are all regarded as influences aswell. the kinks were also early visionaries with davies treatment of an amp and subsequent, distorted, edgy sound you hear on the likes of "you really got me" and "all day and all of the night". __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show

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~~hiu~~ Account Disabled Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,174	Hasil Adkins **** Dale

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cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	Both are post-punk, but whatever.

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Moon Pix In a very sad sad zoo Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: "Out on tour with Smashing Pumpkins, nature kids, they don't have no function" Posts: 363	Im surprised nobodys mentioned the 13th Floor Elevators or the Fugs. __________________ There’s a dream that I see, I pray it can be Look 'cross the land, shake this land - "Maybe Not", C. Marshall