Rise Against

blankety blank · 02-06-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KMS

Republicrats don't matter at all, they're not even worth mentioning, neither is any left wing political doctrine unless it includes a healthy dose of anarchist thought process to balance it out. The only thing people should be concerned about is a complete regime change in most of the worlds nations. A place like Bhutan, not so much, a place like the US or Canada - extreme need of a discarding of the two party dictatorship which is held up and backed by financiers.

All the majority of leftist political idealogy is going to do is feed a few more people, offer a safety net for some, disproportionately tax others and create a veil that its fair and any better than its barely different modern conservative counterpart. The mega rich, the financiers, the elite will always find a way to retain their wealth and power and will exploit a new left wing system just like they exploit their current one and a by product is that you'll have now have given the state all the more power over your lives in controlling and distributing the wealth(but not the wealth of the elite)in a new manner, with more and more corruption.

So, I tire of these cliche rants against one side or another, they're both equally inept and a band that's criticizing a neo-con society, but calling for socialism is quite humorous to me, since most of them call for freedom. Ha.

And every place in the world nearly has a laundry list of political issue's, deal with it, live and die with it. Rise against isn't lyrically innovative, nor even good. Its cliche socialist, straight edge noise under a catchy package.

Social Anarchism. It's a nice thought. Even a government 'of the people, by the people, and for the people' might not be so bad, if it could ever exist. Who knows?

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And every place in the world nearly has a laundry list of political issue's, deal with it, live and die with it.

That's the attitude. It grows equally tiresome.

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Rise against isn't lyrically innovative, nor even good.

You're right. They aren't all that innovative. And, it is the same old song and dance, a bit of a cliche. But, they do have their moments, and, two or three pretty darn good albums. And again, not exactly a political message in song. You can listen, or read, but, you still won't hear it.

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The only thing people should be concerned about is a complete regime change in most of the worlds nations. A place like Bhutan, not so much, a place like the US or Canada - extreme need of a discarding of the two party dictatorship which is held up and backed by financiers.

Bhutan? You can't say that! It's the happiest country in Asia, and, the eighth happiest country in the world! According to a 'global survey'.

This is a list I just have to see. I really want to know which country ranks number one! And, is it the country that is happy, or, the people in the country? I read it ten minutes ago, and, I am still laughing.

According to my lifetime of experience, and observation; I believe that the happiest people in America at least, are the mentally retarded. They are just happy to be here, and, carefree. No stress at all. I believe it's a blessing, and, I kind of envy them. I wish to be so fortunate.

And, everyone feels this pseudo-sympathy for the 'less fortunate'. People stand up for things out of guilt, not compassion, or love. And, I can't even exclude myself totally from that category.

And, your post is extremely accurate for the most part. These regimes do get set up, and, backed by the financiers. And, if they quit playing ball, they get torn down. The only point I disagree with is your apparent apathy. I can't debate your post. You are spot on. As long as there is money to made, and, opportunity to capitalize for those few elites, it will never change, and, we live, die, and deal with it.

'Republicrats'. That about sums it up

Here's a pipe dream from a real political artist. It's not punk. It's riot folk, but, there's where you find the real political rants of prose and music.

A lengthy, pointless rant with no argument. Sorry.

KMS · 02-06-2012, 09:01 PM

I'm not apathetic towards trying to find a solution to the mess that the world of politics is, I am apathetic to all currently accepted forms of answers when dealing with political sub classes and the left/right paradigm.

I'm extremely volatile towards the state of things politically, all of it and nearly every single practicing politician in it. Would love to see them taken out of congress and beaten within an inch of their lives by street thugs, only to be tossed in prison afterwards to become prison sex slaves.

I hate them to the core and frequently send insulting letters with commentary to local and national political offices just for fun. No threats of course, but a clear indication of my distaste for their existence in public office.

The world needs a mindset shift, that's all that will bring about an evolution in the world of politics. All current labels and categories are trash, ready to be exploited by the powers that be no matter the moniker and your little cliche lefty Rise Against, nor its big brother Rage Against The Machine offers no new view points that haven't already been tried and rehashed as failed attempts.

The Libertarians aren't a good answer either, but at least they talk about sizing back the domineering state and cutting red tape. Aka, taking away some of the grasp that the global elite has. However, don't expect to see a Libertarian in any serious position of influence, they have lobby, the military industrial complex and brain washed, foolish, incorrigible voters. Good luck, and like I said, they only have 1/10th of something correct, one aspect in a sea of need. Haha, so forgive a little 'apathy'.

There needs to be an elite class of some form. Its just that what evolved to be the human elite class is pure garbage and they have their hooks deeper than some petty political shift can correct.

Alfred · 02-06-2012, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KMS

Rise against isn't lyrically innovative, nor even good. Its cliche socialist, straight edge noise under a catchy package.

Couldn't have said it better myself. And their usually naive audience totally buys it.

Anyways, I'm going to see Rise Against in May, quite ironically. They're a guilty pleasure, I'll admit (I used to like them quite a bit when I was about 13-14), but I'm more interested in seeing Title Fight, their opener.

Surell · 02-06-2012, 10:36 PM

Rise Against are straight (no orientation)! They can be preachy, but they have that catchy speed.

blankety blank · 02-12-2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KMS

I'm not apathetic towards trying to find a solution to the mess that the world of politics is, I am apathetic to all currently accepted forms of answers when dealing with political sub classes and the left/right paradigm.

Haha, so forgive a little 'apathy'.

Forgiven. And, a very poignant post.

DropThaSystem · 11-18-2012, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Surell

Rise Against are straight (no orientation)! They can be preachy, but they have that catchy speed.

This. Overall, they're a very great band. Prayer of the Refugee and Give It All are pretty good songs.

Newkie · 11-20-2012, 09:59 AM

Yeah I like Rise Against, I've moved off the political stuff which I used to like when I was 13/14 I guess but they still have some great songs that I've always liked and still listen to-a bit of a rarity in comparison to most punk bands I've liked over the years and to be fair their albums have generally been consistently decent without being amazing.

Halfway There, Paper Wings, Swing Life Away, Saviour, Audience of One. Top songs.

Descendents · 01-11-2013, 10:06 PM

Definitely one of the better new punk bands out there. They hit every taste in music that I have, and I feel like I'm in heaven when I listen to em.

trogdor · 02-06-2013, 10:05 AM

I like rise against, I also like the previous band the members were in too, 88 fingers Louie! check out the song "Summer Photo's"

wickdaddy · 11-24-2014, 10:54 PM

Has anyone seen Rise Against live? If so how were they?

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KMS Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 117	I'm not apathetic towards trying to find a solution to the mess that the world of politics is, I am apathetic to all currently accepted forms of answers when dealing with political sub classes and the left/right paradigm. I'm extremely volatile towards the state of things politically, all of it and nearly every single practicing politician in it. Would love to see them taken out of congress and beaten within an inch of their lives by street thugs, only to be tossed in prison afterwards to become prison sex slaves. I hate them to the core and frequently send insulting letters with commentary to local and national political offices just for fun. No threats of course, but a clear indication of my distaste for their existence in public office. The world needs a mindset shift, that's all that will bring about an evolution in the world of politics. All current labels and categories are trash, ready to be exploited by the powers that be no matter the moniker and your little cliche lefty Rise Against, nor its big brother Rage Against The Machine offers no new view points that haven't already been tried and rehashed as failed attempts. The Libertarians aren't a good answer either, but at least they talk about sizing back the domineering state and cutting red tape. Aka, taking away some of the grasp that the global elite has. However, don't expect to see a Libertarian in any serious position of influence, they have lobby, the military industrial complex and brain washed, foolish, incorrigible voters. Good luck, and like I said, they only have 1/10th of something correct, one aspect in a sea of need. Haha, so forgive a little 'apathy'. There needs to be an elite class of some form. Its just that what evolved to be the human elite class is pure garbage and they have their hooks deeper than some petty political shift can correct.

01-11-2013, 10:06 PM	#228 (permalink)
Descendents Groupie Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Posts: 13	Definitely one of the better new punk bands out there. They hit every taste in music that I have, and I feel like I'm in heaven when I listen to em.

02-06-2013, 10:05 AM	#229 (permalink)
trogdor Groupie Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 20	I like rise against, I also like the previous band the members were in too, 88 fingers Louie! check out the song "Summer Photo's"