The Punk Education Thread (lyrics, alternative, hardcore, house, metal)

hookers with machineguns · 12-29-2005, 12:47 PM

The Punk Education Thread
Written by Crowquill(Ethan Smith) and Hookers With Machineguns (Leroy Lee)

History:
The Beatles released Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band in 1967. It’s counterpart? The commercially dwarfed Velvet Underground and Nico, one of the first albums that presented a raw and experimental alternative to the over-produced and commercialized pop-rock top sellers of the late 1960s and early 1970s.

Punk rock's musical roots lie in the 1960s with American snarling garage and proto-punk acts such as The Seeds, Count 5, and The Sonics, and later the intense performances of The Stooges and the short and fast guitar riffs of Motor City Five. Across the Atlantic, you had The Who’s snotty teen angst anthems; their single “My Generation” is sometimes referred to as the “first punk song”.

Punk rock sprouted in quite a few different regions of the world approximately around the same time, almost a global defiance to the commercialization of mainstream music. The two most commonly identified areas are the New York scene (which included The Ramones, Television, Johnny Thunders & The New York Dolls, and Richard Hell & The Voidoids) and the London scene (which included The Stranglers, Siouxsie and the Banshees, and punk’s poster children Sex Pistols). By the late 1970s, the punk rock movement was in full swing; bands like The Clash, The Buzzcocks, The Damned, and X-Ray Spex became acknowledged as being among the first punk rock bands.

Most punk rock from the original mid-1970s movement was still melodic and poppy, but became more aggressive starting in the late 1970s with bands like Black Flag, Crass, X, Circle Jerks, The Germs, The Dead Kennedys and The Misfits. Punk rock usually contains aggressive anti-establishment lyrics. Most of the lyrics are individualistic or political, including left-wing, anarchist, and/or sometimes extremist ideologies. This developed into an onslaught of different attitudes and thus subgenres, spreading from different regions of the world. By the 1990s, the world was well exposed to most parts of the punk attitude and fashion. Nonconformity and rebellion became buzzwords for major record labels to ironically pre-package punk rock as a marketable mainstream trend (if you will). This exposure has led some punk fundamentalists to regard the current state of punk as being “dead.”

Street Punk
Fast-paced and aggressive style that later homogenized with hardcore punk and adapted to Oi! Punk. Street punk (or “gutter punk”) is often associated with the studded leather jacket and Mohawk fashion. Lyrics are typically of the anti-social and anti-authority nature, with the occasional triumphant booze chant.
Examples: The Exploited, The Varukers, A Global Threat, GBH, Oxymoron, Cheap Sex, The Pist, The Virus, The Filaments, The Devotchkas, Lower Class Brats

Oi! Punk
A derivative of street punk that aimed to appeal to the working class, punks, and skinheads. Oi! Punk has occasionally been mislabeled as racist (although in some instances true); however most of the original bands were not.
Examples: The Cockney Rejects, Cock Sparrer, Sham 69, Peter and The Test Tube Babies, The Business, Skrewdriver, 4 Skins

Hardcore punk
Characterized by aggressive and intense vocals, with rapid chord progression. Thus songs are typically short and fast-paced. The original movement was strong particularly in Washington, D.C. and Los Angeles, California. Hardcore punk later evolved into emo and more metal-influenced hardcore.
Examples: Black Flag, The Dead Kennedys, Bad Brains, Minor Threat, The Necros, Poison Idea, 7 Seconds, Reagan Youth, Urban Waste, Millions of Dead Cops, D.R.I., Wasted Youth, Cro-Mags, The Germs

Emo
In the early 1990s there was arguably a wave of bands being called "emotive" or "emotional" hardcore. It was led by bands like D.C. natives Rites of Spring, Moss Icon, and Gray Matter. Elitist hardcore kids actually used the term "emo" as an insult for kids who listen to Indian Summer and other bands in this sub genre. Screamo emerged from hardcore emo, characterized by slower and more melodic breakdowns, with bands like You & I, City of Caterpillar, Saetia, etc.
Examples: Circle Takes The Square, pg. 99, She Died Really Pretty, IWouldSetMyselfOnFireForYou, Hot Cross, Heroin, Usurp Synapse, Mohinder, Angel Hair, Funeral Dinner, I Hate Myself, After School Knife Fight, Orchid, Saetia.

Anarcho Punk
Usually of the hardcore/street punk style, specifically with anarchist ideologies.
Examples: Aus Rotten, Behind Enemy Lines, Subhumans, Crass, Flux of Pink Indians, Rudimentary Peni, Contravene, Anti-Product, Discharge, Oi Polloi, Conflict

Crust Punk
Usually has elements of grind, hardcore, thrash, and is closely related to anarcho punk, with darker political lyrics.
Examples: Amebix, Misery, Nausea, Antischism, Witch Hunt, Dystopia, Cluster Bomb Unit, Extinction of Mankind, Brother Inferior, Toxic Narcotic, Deviated Instinct, Caustic Christ, Code 13, Tragedy, Totalitar, Icons of Filth

Psychobilly
A fusion between punk rock and rockabilly, first emerging in London during the early 1980s. Much of the distinctive melody comes from the upright bass. Lyrics typically make reference to violence, sexuality, and horror flicks.
Examples: The Meteors, Demented Are Go!, King Kurt, Mad Sin, Nekromantix, Batmobile, The Cramps, The Deadlines, The Quakes, Barnyard Ballers, Astro Zombie, Tiger Army, The Sharks, Reverend Horton Heat

Horror Punk
Horror punk is (usually) pop punk and psychobilly (hardcore in a few cases) with topics focused horror flicks and tales through songs. Although horror punk is considered to have been started by bands like the damned and 13th floor elevator, a lot of people consider the first real horror punk band to be the misfits, they were later followed by acts like samhain (started by danzig).
Examples:The Misfits, Samhain, Dead End Drive In, Balzac, Undead, Cancer Slug, Rabies, Everdead, Mockingbird lane

Pop Punk
A more melodic and catchy punk style seen first in the mid-1970s with bands like The Ramones and The Buzzcocks, later adapted by many bands of the 1990s trying to deviate from the 1980s hardcore punk movement.
Examples: The Descendents, The Buzzcocks, Bad Religion, The Queers, Screeching Weasel, The Offspring, Millencolin, Guttermouth, Bouncing Souls, Tsunami Bomb

Ska Punk
A common form of Third Wave ska, which has deviated substantially from the more soulful traditional ska/reggae sound. Most ska punk is uptempo and catchy, behind a horn section and offbeat.
Examples: Operation Ivy, Choking Victim, Leftover Crack, Against All Authority, Voodoo Glow Skulls, Pietasters, Big D And The Kids Table, Catch 22, Skankin Pickle

hookers with machineguns · 12-29-2005, 02:09 PM

Additional Links:

Crust, Hardcore, & Anarcho:
Profane Existence
Havoc Records and Distribution
Revelation Records
New Red Archives

Psychobilly & Horrorpunk:
The Wrecking Pit
Psychobilly Online
Psychobilly.net

General:
PunkNews.org
Interpunk
Epitaph records
Hellcat Records (not working currently)
Alternative Tentacles
Morphius Records
Dischord Records
Hopeless Records
Blackout Records

Oi! & Streetpunk:
Walzwerk Records
Punkcore Records

Punxr4wk Sub-genre Song Recommendations
by hookersisexual & Millycrowpillonfire

Street

Cheap Sex "Fuck Emo"
The Unseen "I Don't Care"
A Global Threat "We're All Equal In The End"
Exploited "Law For The Rich"
Lars Fredrickson & The Bastards "Dead American"
Filth "Dead List"
Oxymoron "Dead End Generation"
The Varukers "Endless Destruction Line"
Devotchkas "My Scars"

Oi!

Sham 69 "Hurry Up Harry"
Peter and The Test Tube Babies "Banned From The Pubs"
Cock Sparrer "England Belongs To Me"
Stiff Little Fingers "Alternative Ulster"

Hardcore

Bad Brains "Pay To Cum"
Minor Threat "Out Of Step"
Dead Kennedys "Police Truck"
The Germs "Communist Eyes"
Reagan Youth "Degenerated "
Urban Waste "Public Opinion"

Anarcho

Behind Enemy Lines "Hooked On Christ"
Antichism "Take Your City Back"
Wolfbrigade "Chemical Straight Jacket"
Crass "Banned From The Roxy"
Blatz "Lullaby"
Oi Polloi "They Shoot Children Don't They?"
Aus Rotten "Fuck Nazi Sympathy"

Crust

Nausea "Clutches"
Contravene "In The Name Of Convenience"
Misery "Born Fed Slaughter"
Tragedy "Beginning of the End"
Amebix "Slaves"

Psychobilly

The Cramps "I Was A Teenage Werewolf"
Necromantix "Haunted Cathouse"
Reverend Horton Heat "The Devil's Chasing Me"
Hillbilly Hellcats "Dead Mans Party"
The Meteors "Shes a Zombie Now"

Horror

The Misfits "Last Caress"
Samhain "All Murder, All Guts, All Fun"
Balzac "To Kill Your Master"
Calabrese "Every Days A Funeral"

Pop

Screeching Weasel "I Hate Led Zeppelin"
The Queens "Punk Rock Girls"
The Ramones "The KKK Took My Baby Away"
The Vandals "My Girlfriends Dead"
Bad Religion "American Jesus"
The Descendants "Silly Girl"

Ska

Operation Ivy "Take Warning"
Streetlight Manifesto "We Are The Few"
Aquabats "My Skateboard"
Big D & The Kids Table "Those Kids Suck"
Leftover Crack "Atheist Anthem"
Catch 22 "Kristina, She Doesn't Know I Exist"

Fenixpunk · 12-29-2005, 02:37 PM

DISTROS

Active Distribution( UK )
Activist Store
AK Press
Anger Distribution ( Quebec )
Armageddon Records (also a label)
Book Counter
Brickwall Distribution
Deadpan Distro
Contempl8 (political T-shirts)
Diskaus ( Finland )
Ebullition
Existence Distribution ( Austria )
Hardcore Holocaust
Hitchhiker
Inflammable Material ( UK )
Midhaven Mailorder (also the site for Revolver USA wholesale)
Profane Existence Distribution
Revolution Now Press and Distro ( Canada )
Sound Idea
Sunrise Screenprint Workshop ( UK )
Tiamat Publications (radical ecology books and music)
Wasted Sounds (Sweden)

~~hiu~~ · 12-29-2005, 07:17 PM

No mention of MC5

. What about Grind?

riseagainstrocks · 12-29-2005, 07:22 PM

we're putting grind with the Metal Education Thread. And I'm writing it. Relativly slowly.

hookers with machineguns · 12-29-2005, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hookers with machineguns

and the short and fast guitar riffs of Motor City Five

They were mentioned. We wouldn't forget

~~hiu~~ · 12-29-2005, 07:30 PM

I missed that one, good job

. Make sure you mention that Napalm Death is not the only band that helped in pioneering grind.

riseagainstrocks · 12-29-2005, 10:00 PM

I don't think they played that large a role at all. so don't worry!

Trauma · 12-30-2005, 02:12 AM

That was a pretty diverse explanation.

I didn't read all of it, but I know many more will to fill my place.

Good work.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 12-30-2005, 12:59 PM

Shouldn`t there be something about post punk...

Y`know , The Fall , Wire , Blue Orchids , The Prisoners , The Milkshakes , P.I.L. , Gang Of Four , Cabaret Voltare , Throbbing Gristle , The Birthday Party , Magazine , Bauhaus , The Raincoats , XTC , Mission Of Burma , The Gun Club, Etc Etc.........

12-29-2005, 12:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
hookers with machineguns Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,753	The Punk Education Thread The Punk Education Thread Written by Crowquill(Ethan Smith) and Hookers With Machineguns (Leroy Lee) History: The Beatles released Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band in 1967. It’s counterpart? The commercially dwarfed Velvet Underground and Nico, one of the first albums that presented a raw and experimental alternative to the over-produced and commercialized pop-rock top sellers of the late 1960s and early 1970s. Punk rock's musical roots lie in the 1960s with American snarling garage and proto-punk acts such as The Seeds, Count 5, and The Sonics, and later the intense performances of The Stooges and the short and fast guitar riffs of Motor City Five. Across the Atlantic, you had The Who’s snotty teen angst anthems; their single “My Generation” is sometimes referred to as the “first punk song”. Punk rock sprouted in quite a few different regions of the world approximately around the same time, almost a global defiance to the commercialization of mainstream music. The two most commonly identified areas are the New York scene (which included The Ramones, Television, Johnny Thunders & The New York Dolls, and Richard Hell & The Voidoids) and the London scene (which included The Stranglers, Siouxsie and the Banshees, and punk’s poster children Sex Pistols). By the late 1970s, the punk rock movement was in full swing; bands like The Clash, The Buzzcocks, The Damned, and X-Ray Spex became acknowledged as being among the first punk rock bands. Most punk rock from the original mid-1970s movement was still melodic and poppy, but became more aggressive starting in the late 1970s with bands like Black Flag, Crass, X, Circle Jerks, The Germs, The Dead Kennedys and The Misfits. Punk rock usually contains aggressive anti-establishment lyrics. Most of the lyrics are individualistic or political, including left-wing, anarchist, and/or sometimes extremist ideologies. This developed into an onslaught of different attitudes and thus subgenres, spreading from different regions of the world. By the 1990s, the world was well exposed to most parts of the punk attitude and fashion. Nonconformity and rebellion became buzzwords for major record labels to ironically pre-package punk rock as a marketable mainstream trend (if you will). This exposure has led some punk fundamentalists to regard the current state of punk as being “dead.” Street Punk Fast-paced and aggressive style that later homogenized with hardcore punk and adapted to Oi! Punk. Street punk (or “gutter punk”) is often associated with the studded leather jacket and Mohawk fashion. Lyrics are typically of the anti-social and anti-authority nature, with the occasional triumphant booze chant. Examples: The Exploited, The Varukers, A Global Threat, GBH, Oxymoron, Cheap Sex, The Pist, The Virus, The Filaments, The Devotchkas, Lower Class Brats Oi! Punk A derivative of street punk that aimed to appeal to the working class, punks, and skinheads. Oi! Punk has occasionally been mislabeled as racist (although in some instances true); however most of the original bands were not. Examples: The Cockney Rejects, Cock Sparrer, Sham 69, Peter and The Test Tube Babies, The Business, Skrewdriver, 4 Skins Hardcore punk Characterized by aggressive and intense vocals, with rapid chord progression. Thus songs are typically short and fast-paced. The original movement was strong particularly in Washington, D.C. and Los Angeles, California. Hardcore punk later evolved into emo and more metal-influenced hardcore. Examples: Black Flag, The Dead Kennedys, Bad Brains, Minor Threat, The Necros, Poison Idea, 7 Seconds, Reagan Youth, Urban Waste, Millions of Dead Cops, D.R.I., Wasted Youth, Cro-Mags, The Germs Emo In the early 1990s there was arguably a wave of bands being called "emotive" or "emotional" hardcore. It was led by bands like D.C. natives Rites of Spring, Moss Icon, and Gray Matter. Elitist hardcore kids actually used the term "emo" as an insult for kids who listen to Indian Summer and other bands in this sub genre. Screamo emerged from hardcore emo, characterized by slower and more melodic breakdowns, with bands like You & I, City of Caterpillar, Saetia, etc. Examples: Circle Takes The Square, pg. 99, She Died Really Pretty, IWouldSetMyselfOnFireForYou, Hot Cross, Heroin, Usurp Synapse, Mohinder, Angel Hair, Funeral Dinner, I Hate Myself, After School Knife Fight, Orchid, Saetia. Anarcho Punk Usually of the hardcore/street punk style, specifically with anarchist ideologies. Examples: Aus Rotten, Behind Enemy Lines, Subhumans, Crass, Flux of Pink Indians, Rudimentary Peni, Contravene, Anti-Product, Discharge, Oi Polloi, Conflict Crust Punk Usually has elements of grind, hardcore, thrash, and is closely related to anarcho punk, with darker political lyrics. Examples: Amebix, Misery, Nausea, Antischism, Witch Hunt, Dystopia, Cluster Bomb Unit, Extinction of Mankind, Brother Inferior, Toxic Narcotic, Deviated Instinct, Caustic Christ, Code 13, Tragedy, Totalitar, Icons of Filth Psychobilly A fusion between punk rock and rockabilly, first emerging in London during the early 1980s. Much of the distinctive melody comes from the upright bass. Lyrics typically make reference to violence, sexuality, and horror flicks. Examples: The Meteors, Demented Are Go!, King Kurt, Mad Sin, Nekromantix, Batmobile, The Cramps, The Deadlines, The Quakes, Barnyard Ballers, Astro Zombie, Tiger Army, The Sharks, Reverend Horton Heat Horror Punk Horror punk is (usually) pop punk and psychobilly (hardcore in a few cases) with topics focused horror flicks and tales through songs. Although horror punk is considered to have been started by bands like the damned and 13th floor elevator, a lot of people consider the first real horror punk band to be the misfits, they were later followed by acts like samhain (started by danzig). Examples:The Misfits, Samhain, Dead End Drive In, Balzac, Undead, Cancer Slug, Rabies, Everdead, Mockingbird lane Pop Punk A more melodic and catchy punk style seen first in the mid-1970s with bands like The Ramones and The Buzzcocks, later adapted by many bands of the 1990s trying to deviate from the 1980s hardcore punk movement. Examples: The Descendents, The Buzzcocks, Bad Religion, The Queers, Screeching Weasel, The Offspring, Millencolin, Guttermouth, Bouncing Souls, Tsunami Bomb Ska Punk A common form of Third Wave ska, which has deviated substantially from the more soulful traditional ska/reggae sound. Most ska punk is uptempo and catchy, behind a horn section and offbeat. Examples: Operation Ivy, Choking Victim, Leftover Crack, Against All Authority, Voodoo Glow Skulls, Pietasters, Big D And The Kids Table, Catch 22, Skankin Pickle

12-29-2005, 02:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
Fenixpunk The Erroneous Hoodlum Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: West Side Phoenix Posts: 2,057	DISTROS Active Distribution( UK ) Activist Store AK Press Anger Distribution ( Quebec ) Armageddon Records (also a label) Book Counter Brickwall Distribution Deadpan Distro Contempl8 (political T-shirts) Diskaus ( Finland ) Ebullition Existence Distribution ( Austria ) Hardcore Holocaust Hitchhiker Inflammable Material ( UK ) Midhaven Mailorder (also the site for Revolver USA wholesale) Profane Existence Distribution Revolution Now Press and Distro ( Canada ) Sound Idea Sunrise Screenprint Workshop ( UK ) Tiamat Publications (radical ecology books and music) Wasted Sounds (Sweden) __________________ This message has been approved by Shawn Erroneous - The Declaimed

12-29-2005, 07:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
riseagainstrocks Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: DC Posts: 3,320	we're putting grind with the Metal Education Thread. And I'm writing it. Relativly slowly. __________________ One note timeless, came out of nowhere...

12-29-2005, 10:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
riseagainstrocks Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: DC Posts: 3,320	I don't think they played that large a role at all. so don't worry! __________________ One note timeless, came out of nowhere...

12-30-2005, 12:59 PM	#10 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Shouldn`t there be something about post punk... Y`know , The Fall , Wire , Blue Orchids , The Prisoners , The Milkshakes , P.I.L. , Gang Of Four , Cabaret Voltare , Throbbing Gristle , The Birthday Party , Magazine , Bauhaus , The Raincoats , XTC , Mission Of Burma , The Gun Club, Etc Etc......... __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

12-29-2005, 02:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
hookers with machineguns Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,753	Additional Links: Crust, Hardcore, & Anarcho: Profane Existence Havoc Records and Distribution Revelation Records New Red Archives Psychobilly & Horrorpunk: The Wrecking Pit Psychobilly Online Psychobilly.net General: PunkNews.org Interpunk Epitaph records Hellcat Records (not working currently) Alternative Tentacles Morphius Records Dischord Records Hopeless Records Blackout Records Oi! & Streetpunk: Walzwerk Records Punkcore Records Punxr4wk Sub-genre Song Recommendations by hookersisexual & Millycrowpillonfire Street Cheap Sex "Fuck Emo" The Unseen "I Don't Care" A Global Threat "We're All Equal In The End" Exploited "Law For The Rich" Lars Fredrickson & The Bastards "Dead American" Filth "Dead List" Oxymoron "Dead End Generation" The Varukers "Endless Destruction Line" Devotchkas "My Scars" Oi! Sham 69 "Hurry Up Harry" Peter and The Test Tube Babies "Banned From The Pubs" Cock Sparrer "England Belongs To Me" Stiff Little Fingers "Alternative Ulster" Hardcore Bad Brains "Pay To Cum" Minor Threat "Out Of Step" Dead Kennedys "Police Truck" The Germs "Communist Eyes" Reagan Youth "Degenerated " Urban Waste "Public Opinion" Anarcho Behind Enemy Lines "Hooked On Christ" Antichism "Take Your City Back" Wolfbrigade "Chemical Straight Jacket" Crass "Banned From The Roxy" Blatz "Lullaby" Oi Polloi "They Shoot Children Don't They?" Aus Rotten "Fuck Nazi Sympathy" Crust Nausea "Clutches" Contravene "In The Name Of Convenience" Misery "Born Fed Slaughter" Tragedy "Beginning of the End" Amebix "Slaves" Psychobilly The Cramps "I Was A Teenage Werewolf" Necromantix "Haunted Cathouse" Reverend Horton Heat "The Devil's Chasing Me" Hillbilly Hellcats "Dead Mans Party" The Meteors "Shes a Zombie Now" Horror The Misfits "Last Caress" Samhain "All Murder, All Guts, All Fun" Balzac "To Kill Your Master" Calabrese "Every Days A Funeral" Pop Screeching Weasel "I Hate Led Zeppelin" The Queens "Punk Rock Girls" The Ramones "The KKK Took My Baby Away" The Vandals "My Girlfriends Dead" Bad Religion "American Jesus" The Descendants "Silly Girl" Ska Operation Ivy "Take Warning" Streetlight Manifesto "We Are The Few" Aquabats "My Skateboard" Big D & The Kids Table "Those Kids Suck" Leftover Crack "Atheist Anthem" Catch 22 "Kristina, She Doesn't Know I Exist"

12-29-2005, 07:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
~~hiu~~ Account Disabled Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,174	No mention of MC5 . What about Grind?

12-29-2005, 07:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
~~hiu~~ Account Disabled Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,174	I missed that one, good job . Make sure you mention that Napalm Death is not the only band that helped in pioneering grind.

12-30-2005, 02:12 AM	#9 (permalink)
Trauma snickers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: detroit Posts: 2,194	That was a pretty diverse explanation. I didn't read all of it, but I know many more will to fill my place. Good work.