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Old 01-28-2007, 09:50 PM   #171 (permalink)
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One thing thats often surprised me is that free jazz isnt mentioned ver often when refferring to pre-punk music. If you listen to the guitars solos by a lot of the bands that actually used them you begin to hear similarities between those and the sax solos you might hear on a John Coltrane album, lots of notes that don't fit into the songs key and just a very chaotic sound. Its pretty much the same idea as free-jazz soloing.

Black Flag is a good example of this.
Yeah, plus the Saxophone playing on The Stooges' Funhouse
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Old 01-29-2007, 03:26 AM   #172 (permalink)
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Basically, you have to draw a line as to how far back you're going to trace it. I'd call Trout Mask Replica a proto-punk album, and all they did was take free jazz aesthetics and apply it to rock n' roll. From there you could trace it back to Coltrane and Coleman and all those crazy cats, but is there really a point? I mean, Stravinsky was one of the first to include atonal and abrasive passages in his music, but I wouldn't really say The Rite of Spring was a proto-punk symphony...
If you trace musical influences back far enough you get back to a man in a cave banging bones together.
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Old 01-29-2007, 06:11 AM   #173 (permalink)
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Exactly. So was he the true godfather of punk?
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Old 01-29-2007, 10:41 AM   #174 (permalink)
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wow, thats crazy...the ramones....or the sex pistols?....i woudl probably have to say The Ramones....but thats really tough...the pistols totally rock also....but ramones just come out on top.....
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Old 01-29-2007, 10:55 AM   #175 (permalink)
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Well if you wanna be picky the first reference to 'Punk Rock' was used in a fanzine in New York in an article about Lou Reed in 1974
thats not true. the first instance of punk being used to describe an artist was with ? & the mysterians in 1970
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To my knowledge the first time the word punk was printed in reference to music was in Lester Bangs' first printed article, a 1970 review of Kick Out the Jams:
"Never mind that they came on like a bunch of 16 years old punks on a meth power trip - these boys, so the line ran, could play their guitars like John Coltrane and Pharaoh Sanders played sax!"
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Old 01-29-2007, 12:29 PM   #177 (permalink)
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Exactly. So was he the true godfather of punk?
No. Adam invented punk when he stole that apple.
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Old 01-29-2007, 03:54 PM   #178 (permalink)
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wow, thats crazy...the ramones....or the sex pistols?....i woudl probably have to say The Ramones....but thats really tough...the pistols totally rock also....but ramones just come out on top.....
i'm glad you settled that issue for us, so articulately done too.

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No. Adam invented punk when he stole that apple.
That doesn't even make sense.
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That doesn't even make sense.
How doesn't it make sense?
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Old 01-29-2007, 04:43 PM   #180 (permalink)
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That doesn't even make sense.
In that case your logic is skewed as well as Kevorkian.
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