The Official Green Day Thread (drum, funk, metal, pop)

[ShadowSurfer]

Originally Posted by jibber

not really, kiss just built on a concept the rolling stones started up, and took it to the extreme, and made it their ONLY thing. They didn't really concentrate on music, just their image. and the whole stage show thing was done by the stones first, so KISS didn't invent it. sorry.

wrong. KISS invented the stage show. KISS invented four spotlights on each guy doing a guitar solo, a drum solo, a presentation. Th emost in demand techs working in the industry belonged to KISS. If you did lights or pyro or sound for KISS, you were the best in the world.

dude, the Rolling Stones in 1977 had nothing in the way of a stageshow that KISS had. KISS invented the art of the touring rock band. They pioneered the logistics in how touring and album marketing was done.

They were the first band in the world to put there names and band logo on their guitar picks.

There is so much stuff KISS invented in rock concert promotion they are now the norm.

KISS invented it. The best in the world, worked for KISS, not The Stones.

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer

BUt how many bands in the 1970s could do a three night stint at the LA Forum, or Madison Sqaure Garden??



Led Zeppelin and KISS, basically

and who made 'better music' is a matter of opinion.

I think you need to stop confusing popularity, sold out concerts and record sales with influence.

I'd say there were plenty more infleucnial.

Black Sabbath is the best example, every metal band of every sub genre owes it to them in some way, then you forget about King Crimson and how many prog bands they paved the way for, or The Stooges and how they were a big influence on punk rock...I'd also say John Lennon, Bob Marley, The Who, Stevie Wonder, Parliament/Funkadelic, Pink Floyd, Frank Zappa, David Bowie, New York Dolls, Yes, The Ramones, Deep Purple, AC/DC, Aerosmith, Queen, The Doors, Can, Velvet Underground, The Sex Pistols and countless others are more influencial.

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by boo boo

I think you need to stop shoving a mediocre band down everyones throats and saying crap that no one cares about.

Fixed =)

[jibber]

Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer

wrong. KISS invented the stage show. KISS invented four spotlights on each guy doing a guitar solo, a drum solo, a presentation. Th emost in demand techs working in the industry belonged to KISS. If you did lights or pyro for KISS, you were the best in the world.

dude, the Rolling Stones in 1977 had nothing in the way of a stageshow that KISS had. KISS invented the art of the touring rock band. They pioneered the logistics in how touring and album marketing was done.

They were the first band in the world to put there names and band logo on their guitar picks.

There is so much stuff KISS invented in rock concert promotion they are now the norm.

KISS invented it. The best in the world, worked for KISS.

great, more trivia, you should be on jeopardy.

except, you pretty much just ignored my main point. yeah, the stones didnt have spotlights or random flamethrowers or dress up as freakshows in heels. But if you've ever seen footage of a stones concert, it's impossible to deny that they had a rediculous amount of stage presence. the stones were among the first bands to start doing large scale stadium shows, they were one of the first bands to place a lot of emphasis on their actual shows, and creating a real showmanship image for themselves. hell even the beatles did the same thing to an extent. the stones took it to a higher level than the beatles, and KISS took it to a higher level than them the DIFFERENCE is that the beatles and the stones actually concentrated on making good MUSIC as well, something that can't be said for KISS.

[ShadowSurfer]

Originally Posted by boo boo

I think you need to stop confusing popularity, sold out concerts and record sales with influence.

all those kids in the crowd became Nirvana, Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, and many many other bands......

the three things you mention, are properties of influence.

[Merkaba]

Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer

wrong. KISS invented the stage show. KISS invented four spotlights on each guy doing a guitar solo, a drum solo, a presentation. Th emost in demand techs working in the industry belonged to KISS. If you did lights or pyro or sound for KISS, you were the best in the world.

dude, the Rolling Stones in 1977 had nothing in the way of a stageshow that KISS had. KISS invented the art of the touring rock band. They pioneered the logistics in how touring and album marketing was done.

They were the first band in the world to put there names and band logo on their guitar picks.

There is so much stuff KISS invented in rock concert promotion they are now the norm.

KISS invented it. The best in the world, worked for KISS, not The Stones.

Perfect example of what i was saying.

You act as if we ought to care. We don't.

[jibber]

Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer

all those kids in the crowd became Nirvana, Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, and many many other bands......

the three things you mention, are properties of influence.

ahh, so by your logic britney spears will be a major influence on rock bands to come. dear god that will be a strange and twisted brand of music.....

[ShadowSurfer]

Originally Posted by jibber

the DIFFERENCE is that the beatles and the stones actually concentrated on making good MUSIC as well, something that can't be said for KISS.

in your opinion.

Two Virgins by John Lennon isn't exactly good music.

[bungalow]

It wasn't supposed to be.

[ShadowSurfer]

Originally Posted by jibber

ahh, so by your logic britney spears will be a major influence on rock bands to come. dear god that will be a strange and twisted brand of music.....

No, I'd say Madonna was the major influence and Britney is her by-product, and yes, Britney will have an influence on th ekids listening and looking up to her.