The Genesis 2018 Discussion Thread
 

Sure, there's probably been one made before, but I'll be damned if I'm going to heave myself up out of my comfy chair and go searching for it. If there is one, and any mod wishes to merge this with it, knock yourself out.

Any further discussion which was to take place about Genesis in the "Release Me" thread should be brought here. Anyone else who just wants to talk about the band, this is where to do it.

Their worst two records were their debut and finale.

I would almost agree with this. Calling All Stations sucked pretty bad, especially the last section where they just seemed to say "Ah **** it we're gonna break up anyway let's **** off down the pub". The opener is good, "Shipwrecked", "Alien Afternoon", "Not About Us", but little more than that. You know my feelings on Abacab, and I don't have a lot good to say about Invisible Touch either, despite what Anteater and/or Patrick Bateman have to say about it. We Can't Dance I feel has more of a sort of proggy edge to some of the songs, and IMO "Fading Lights" would have been the perfect swansong, but there you go.

I'm definitely more in the 70s camp though, not just Gabriel but pretty much anything with Hackett on board.

Gabriel > Collins

:beer:

Obvy

I kind of find it odd that Ant got into Genesis around 1980 (same as me) but through Duke, whereas I got into them via the Seconds Out live album and then went backwards to get all the stuff that was on that - Trick of the Tail, Lamb, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England etc. So we both got into them at around the same time, but he went forward and I went backwards (first anyway).

My favorite Genesis album is Trespass. Duke is my 2nd favorite. I just like quoting American Psycho whenever people bring up Collins because it's fun. :shycouch:

I've already stated my top albums in other threads, but yeah, Trespass is very high on that list. Duke, too.

100% agree. Both Wuthering and Trick of the Tail are great because of Hackett's presence. When he left he took the band's balls with him.

This intro! :love:

In your opinion, was Hackett the driving force behind Genesis’s progginess?

No. Hackett, Banks, Rutherford, Collins, and Gabriel were equals in that regard. Hackett just approached the electric guitar in such a unique way, plus his nylon string stuff like in Trolls clip above was an awesome spice to the recipe now and then.

Whenever Genesis would start drifting a bit to soft or maudlin Hackett would come in with a nasty stab to keep things hard.

I only ever learned one Hackett solo note for note. The dude approached phrasing and runs like no-one else I've spent a lot of time with. Somehow he made really weird sounding **** fit perfectly into their songs.

This is the one I learned. FF to 3:08

Damn.

Yeah, when you consider he wasn't there for Trespass that becomes a harder claim to back up, but there's no doubt he kept them grounded when they looked like they were going to go full pop. It's no coincidence that the first time they really did this (allowing for the weirdly inappropriate success of "I Know What I Like" from Selling England: how did that ever become a hit?) was with And Then There Were Three, and that their most well-known song outside of prog rock is "Follow You Follow Me". Think Hackett would have stood for that?

Stop musician-signalling. ;)

If only Gabriel HAD shot an arrow into Phil!

I foresee that this thread shall be the genesis of many a pun. I'm collin(s) it right now, it's gonna be philled with them.

I've come to think that "And Then There Were Three" is actually pretty good.
Looks like I'm getting old.

That’s quite a revelation. You’re like the angel Gabriel.

You're Gay-briel, I Banks on it.
It is a good album, there's no doubt. Apart from "The Ballad of Big." Christ. Bury that one in concrete.

Well, Phillips was no slouch.

Poor old Anthony. If only he hadn't suffered from stage fright. Still, he's doing well these days...

All right then, let's do this: post your top ten and bottom ten Genesis tracks. I'm working on mine at the moment (no surprise from which album many of the latter will be taken! :D) - Genesis band albums only, no solo ****. :)

Bottom ten? Really?

Sure. Why not? Well, just do a top if you want, but I'm gonna do both.

Occult Genesis Top Ten

Number Ten : Dusk

Occult Genesis Top Ten

Number Nine: The Musical Box

Top 10 Genesis Tracks

10. A Trick Of The Tail
9. Home By The Sea
8. Abacab
7. The Carpet Crawlers
6. No Reply At All
5. Illegal Alien
4. Ripples
3. Anything Now
2. Watcher Of The Skies
1. Stagnation

Just sticking in the whole ten inches just like that huh? No lube? No foreplay?

Occult Genesis Top Ten

Number Eight: I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)

Occult Genesis Top Ten

Number Seven: Horizons

Occult Genesis Top Ten

Number Six: One for the Vine

Bolded: I don't think I know that one? What album is that from?
No. 5 though? Seriously? and number 6? Your list of course, but wow: some there I would not have expected.

Occult, all good choices so far. Let's do it your way actually, more fun than a list. No offence, Ant. Man! How do you cut down so much good music to ten tracks??? What idiot thought of tha - oh.
:shycouch:

Going with this one to start off.
Trollheart's Genesis Top Ten Tracks
Number Ten

"White Mountain" - Trespass (1970)

Anything Now was a deplorable B-Side off a single from Calling All Stations. Ant’s just ****ing with you.

Occult Genesis Top Ten
Number Five: Blood on the Rooftops

Can't do a bottom ten because I stopped buying new stuff in the mid 80s.

Can't do a top ten either because for me it's all about the albums. Each of their best discs have a unique vibe both composition wise and production wise. They each their own atmosphere. A BEST OF album of 70s Genesis would sound so disjointed IMO.

Picking top five albums is also impossible becasue they evolved so much from album to album. How do you put Foxtrot ahead of W&W or Lamb ahead of Selling England?

My top fave albums in no order? That I can do.

Foxtrot
Selling England
Lamb
W&W
Trick of the Tail

Honorable mention: Side one of Duke.

Grow a pair, Chula

Occult Genesis Top Ten
Number Four: Here Comes the Supernatural Anaesthetist



The best Yes song ever written by Genesis.

Yeah it's definitely hard. On another day, with more time, the whole ten would probably change.
Aaaaaaanyway....
Let's mix it up!
Trollheart's Bottom Ten Genesis Tracks
Number Ten

"Another Record" - Abacab (1981)

Occult Genesis Top Ten
Number Three: Cuckoo Cocoon