The Genesis 2018 Discussion Thread

Trollheart · 01-17-2018, 06:20 AM

Nea, I honestly don't give two ****s about Abacab, and I certainly wouldn't make a thread to bash either it, or you. I made this because an interesting Genesis discussion was developing in a thread in which it was in danger (that's a lot of "in"s, isn't it?) of taking over, and I thought well if people want to talk about my second-favourite band, let's make a thread. The fact that so many of my Bottom Top Ten come from that album only reflects how little I rate it, though there are songs on it I like, mostly on the first side.

Now can we push the Abacab war to one side and concentrate on the rest of the great Genesis music we have to talk about and enjoy, please?

Trollheart · 01-17-2018, 06:28 AM

It's time to reveal......
Trollheart's Genesis Top Ten
NUMBER ONE!!!!

"Supper's Ready" - Foxtrot (1972)
The very first prog epic (possibly even the first epic track) I ever heard. I could not believe that a song could last over twenty minutes and still not flag for one instant. I heard the live version first and it made me a fan of Genesis in a moment (well, twenty-three minutes and change) and a lifelong fan of prog rock in general. Indubitably unassailable.

As for the other end of things, well, it could only be one album, couldn't it?

Trollheart's Genesis Bottom Ten
Number One

"Whodunnit" - Abacab (1981)

What a completely pointless song. They must have thrown it together in about ten seconds. I think there are like four lines in the lyric, the chorus is ridiculous, the music is about as Genesis as Devo, and, well, it's just total crap from beginning to end. For me, the very nadir of Genesis's worst moments, and the point at which I seriously considered stopping listening to them. Whodunnit? You did, you bunch of twats! How could you?

rubber soul · 01-17-2018, 06:34 AM

This one's my least favorite. Maybe my all time worst video-period.

Chula Vista · 01-17-2018, 10:45 AM

Troll, great pick for #1!

Check this out when you have a half hour to spare.

Right up there with Supper's Ready as far as epic prog goes.

Trollheart · 01-17-2018, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Troll, great pick for #1!

Check this out when you have a half hour to spare.

Right up there with Supper's Ready as far as epic prog goes.

Oh I know that one. Great track. Still go back and forth with Spock's Beard; have yet to hear an album I'd consider listening to all the way through more than once though. Octane is pretty solid, and V I think.

Trollheart · 01-17-2018, 12:57 PM

Since we're throwing out recs...

OccultHawk · 01-17-2018, 01:09 PM

I love the prog I liked as a kid but I never seem to enjoy discovering new prog stuff. I wonder if I have some kind of mental block or if there’s really not very much good prog.

Trollheart · 01-17-2018, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I love the prog I liked as a kid but I never seem to enjoy discovering new prog stuff. I wonder if I have some kind of mental block or if there’s really not very much good prog.

Oh it's out there, believe me.

Chula Vista · 01-17-2018, 03:03 PM

Check out The Flower Kings.

Chula Vista · 01-17-2018, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Oh I know that one. Great track. Still go back and forth with Spock's Beard; have yet to hear an album I'd consider listening to all the way through more than once though. Octane is pretty solid, and V I think.

Check out Brief Nocturnes and Dreamless Sleep. Maybe their most cohesive album. But I hear what you're saying.

01-17-2018, 06:20 AM	#121 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	Nea, I honestly don't give two ***s about Abacab, and I certainly wouldn't make a thread to bash either it, or you. I made this because an interesting Genesis discussion was developing in a thread in which it was in danger (that's a lot of "in"s, isn't it?) of taking over, and I thought well if people want to talk about my second-favourite band, let's make a thread. The fact that so many of my Bottom Top Ten come from that album only reflects how little I rate it, though there are songs on it I like, mostly on the first side. Now can we push the Abacab* war to one side and concentrate on the rest of the great Genesis music we have to talk about and enjoy, please? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

01-17-2018, 06:28 AM	#122 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	It's time to reveal...... Trollheart's Genesis Top Ten NUMBER ONE!!!! "Supper's Ready" - Foxtrot (1972) The very first prog epic (possibly even the first epic track) I ever heard. I could not believe that a song could last over twenty minutes and still not flag for one instant. I heard the live version first and it made me a fan of Genesis in a moment (well, twenty-three minutes and change) and a lifelong fan of prog rock in general. Indubitably unassailable. As for the other end of things, well, it could only be one album, couldn't it? Trollheart's Genesis Bottom Ten Number One "Whodunnit" - Abacab (1981) What a completely pointless song. They must have thrown it together in about ten seconds. I think there are like four lines in the lyric, the chorus is ridiculous, the music is about as Genesis as Devo, and, well, it's just total crap from beginning to end. For me, the very nadir of Genesis's worst moments, and the point at which I seriously considered stopping listening to them. Whodunnit? You did, you bunch of twats! How could you? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

01-17-2018, 10:45 AM	#124 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Troll, great pick for #1! Check this out when you have a half hour to spare. Right up there with Supper's Ready as far as epic prog goes. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

01-17-2018, 12:57 PM	#126 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	Since we're throwing out recs... __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

01-17-2018, 01:09 PM	#127 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	I love the prog I liked as a kid but I never seem to enjoy discovering new prog stuff. I wonder if I have some kind of mental block or if there’s really not very much good prog. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

01-17-2018, 03:03 PM	#129 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Check out The Flower Kings. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”