The Future of Prog looking forward, Grim?

JGuy Grungeman · 01-09-2016, 12:53 PM

Yeah, but then we go over the reasons why we think or believe that, and we find we have a lot of the same views and teach ourselves some new ones to back our views up.

grindy · 01-09-2016, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Yeah, but then we go over the reasons why we think or believe that, and we find we have a lot of the same views and teach ourselves some new ones to back our views up.

I'd call this a conflict (in the broadest sense) again. But I get why someone wouldn't like to employ that word here, it has too many negative and even violent connotations.

(Wow, things are getting pretty damn meta in here.

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grindy · 01-09-2016, 01:32 PM

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That's it. I refuse to deal with you any more.

Just sayin'.

Chula Vista · 01-09-2016, 01:38 PM

Spam101 · 01-19-2016, 08:29 PM

I see prog alive and well, just in a different more modern form.

Plenty of great math rock bands and progressive metalcore bands about. That's what really does it for me.

It all comes under a blanket progressive term for me but I realise they obviously don't sound much like Tool, Opeth & Dream Theater, which is I suspect what OP is getting at here. I'm sure there are plenty of bands like that knocking around though paying homage to them under the radar. I just wouldn't know about them as it's not really my cup of tea.

Tributary Records · 02-01-2016, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Spam101

I see prog alive and well, just in a different more modern form.

Plenty of great math rock bands and progressive metalcore bands about. That's what really does it for me.

It all comes under a blanket progressive term for me but I realise they obviously don't sound much like Tool, Opeth & Dream Theater, which is I suspect what OP is getting at here. I'm sure there are plenty of bands like that knocking around though paying homage to them under the radar. I just wouldn't know about them as it's not really my cup of tea.

Prog lacks a proper definition. The confusion lies in the title of progressive meaning it has to change. We all know what traditional Jazz or Reggae is. Funk, Soul, etc. Prog in a traditional sense did have it's formula grounded in the late 60's through the mid 70's. All the classic prog bands that people are still talking about had jazzy drums and a strong keyboard palate.

The modern prog is metal based, not jazz based. Complex metal is seen as prog, but it wouldn't have been seen as prog in the traditional sense put aside the 70's bands. It would be compared more to bands like UFO, Scorpions, Judas Priest or Sabbath. Metallica came along with complex metal that wowed people, but was a far cry from traditional prog.

**Frownland** · 02-01-2016, 10:32 AM

Metallica is complex...

Nobody's calling them prog either but that's a different story.

Paul Smeenus · 02-01-2016, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tributary Records

Prog lacks a proper definition. The confusion lies in the title of progressive meaning it has to change. We all know what traditional Jazz or Reggae is. Funk, Soul, etc. Prog in a traditional sense did have it's formula grounded in the late 60's through the mid 70's. All the classic prog bands that people are still talking about had jazzy drums and a strong keyboard palate.

The modern prog is metal based, not jazz based. Complex metal is seen as prog, but it wouldn't have been seen as prog in the traditional sense put aside the 70's bands. It would be compared more to bands like UFO, Scorpions, Judas Priest or Sabbath. Metallica came along with complex metal that wowed people, but was a far cry from traditional prog.

Metallica is complex...

Nobody's calling them prog either but that's a different story.

Frownie is being kind. Before you discuss prog I would suggest learning what it is. Maybe there's commonality between prog and metal in the 21st century but in prog's 1960's roots metal had yet to begin, even the hard rock bands of the day like Sabbath weren't metal yet, that really didn't start until the '80's

grindy · 02-01-2016, 10:59 AM

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Frownie is being kind. Before you discuss prog I would suggest learning what it is. Maybe there's commonality between prog and metal in the 21st century but in prog's 1960's roots metal had yet to begin, even the hard rock bands of the day like Sabbath weren't metal yet, that really didn't start until the '80's

Having no idea about Prog doesn't deter him. It's actually the driving force behind this whole thread.

Paul Smeenus · 02-01-2016, 11:09 AM

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Having no idea about Prog doesn't deter him. It's actually the driving force behind this whole thread.

I see. Knowing what he's talking about = optional for TR, gotcha.

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Spam101 Groupie Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 16	I see prog alive and well, just in a different more modern form. Plenty of great math rock bands and progressive metalcore bands about. That's what really does it for me. It all comes under a blanket progressive term for me but I realise they obviously don't sound much like Tool, Opeth & Dream Theater, which is I suspect what OP is getting at here. I'm sure there are plenty of bands like that knocking around though paying homage to them under the radar. I just wouldn't know about them as it's not really my cup of tea.