Should rock be considered prog just because it's technical?

Necromancer · 12-07-2012, 02:01 PM

Supertramps Fools Overture is a good example of progressive. A dominate keyboard/orchestrated section should exist?

Face · 12-07-2012, 02:02 PM

I guess that's why I gave up on trying to remember genre labeling a long time ago, I can't remember (post, prog and maths are all pretty intechangeable really IMO) what half the ones I listen to technically "are". And some songs that are supposedly different genres I find more alike than ones from the same genre..simply because of the artist.

jawbreaker · 12-07-2012, 02:05 PM

I believe when prog rock bands burst in late sixties and mostly in early seventies, they weren't even tagged "prog" but art rock.
Regarding the question of this thread, music can be technical without being prog (a lot of late nineties thrash bands that turned technical, the shredders of the eighties), and music can be prog without being particularly technical (mid-seventies pink floyd, marillion). However, regarding prog death like later Death albums, Atheist, Cynic, Pestilence, Nocturnus, they are both technical and progressive in spirit, so sometimes it's difficult to separate one from the other.

Necromancer · 12-07-2012, 02:12 PM

Well Yes was most commonly known as classical rock during the 70s before the present term and genre even existed.

Rush was the band that really embodied the term progressive in my opinion. So that throws the dominate keyboard theory out the window.

Anything that takes rock music to a perfection as artist and musicians.

PoorOldPo · 12-07-2012, 06:45 PM

One word....NO.

Some of the most progressive music I know right now is played by people who don't fully know how to play their instruments, obviously not all of the musicians I know, but some of them. Technicality should never be linked with music progression in terms of originality.

Necromancer · 12-07-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PoorOldPo

Technicality should never be linked with music progression in terms of originality.

What do you suggest would be some good examples of being progressive without technicality?

I was listening to Drama by Yes today from 1980 and realized that their best songs on the album were basically throwbacks to their original 70s style and sound.

Black Sabbath I don't think has ever really been considered as being a progressive rock band, but I think they more than demonstrated that they could write and produce actual progressive music with songs like Air Dance from their Never Say Die album.

PoorOldPo · 12-07-2012, 08:08 PM

I will just give one example. Only because I know the musicians in this band.(I am one of the members). The main songwriter doesn't even know how to play a guitar and yet plays and writes some of the most beautiful music I have ever seen anyone write first hand.

Band of Clouds

Necromancer · 12-07-2012, 08:17 PM

Wow, that sounds really exciting. And interesting. I'm glad to know that you are an actual musician PoorOldPo. Maybe you and your band will be one of the first pioneers to contribute something new, Good Luck my friend.

What instrument do you play? Vocalist?

One of the best artist I ever seen was only 17yrs old at the time. But man, he was definitely a Prodigy.

PoorOldPo · 12-07-2012, 08:54 PM

For the new album, vocals, Piano, Keys, guitar, xylaphone and I have written two songs for it.
Glad you like it! I will send you a link of the new stuff as soon as it is up.

IvanMC · 09-21-2013, 09:32 PM

Progressive without technicality... why is it that you guys would like to find this? Technicality isn't something... dismal, is it? Anyway, there's Rush (save for Peart), which indeed embodies the term progressive, there was... I don't know, but technicality isn't necessarily a bad thing.

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jawbreaker Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Paris area Posts: 65	I believe when prog rock bands burst in late sixties and mostly in early seventies, they weren't even tagged "prog" but art rock. Regarding the question of this thread, music can be technical without being prog (a lot of late nineties thrash bands that turned technical, the shredders of the eighties), and music can be prog without being particularly technical (mid-seventies pink floyd, marillion). However, regarding prog death like later Death albums, Atheist, Cynic, Pestilence, Nocturnus, they are both technical and progressive in spirit, so sometimes it's difficult to separate one from the other. __________________ "the secret of a long life is to try not to shorten it". My name is nobody, Sergio Leone, 1973 Last edited by jawbreaker; 12-07-2012 at 02:12 PM.

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Necromancer Divination Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,655	Well Yes was most commonly known as classical rock during the 70s before the present term and genre even existed. Rush was the band that really embodied the term progressive in my opinion. So that throws the dominate keyboard theory out the window. Anything that takes rock music to a perfection as artist and musicians. Last edited by Necromancer; 12-07-2012 at 02:36 PM.

12-07-2012, 06:45 PM	#75 (permalink)
PoorOldPo Blue Pill Oww Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Luimneach, Eire Posts: 1,107	One word....NO. Some of the most progressive music I know right now is played by people who don't fully know how to play their instruments, obviously not all of the musicians I know, but some of them. Technicality should never be linked with music progression in terms of originality. __________________ https://www.instagram.com/hennas.lullaby/

12-07-2012, 08:08 PM	#77 (permalink)
PoorOldPo Blue Pill Oww Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Luimneach, Eire Posts: 1,107	I will just give one example. Only because I know the musicians in this band.(I am one of the members). The main songwriter doesn't even know how to play a guitar and yet plays and writes some of the most beautiful music I have ever seen anyone write first hand. Band of Clouds __________________ https://www.instagram.com/hennas.lullaby/

12-07-2012, 08:17 PM	#78 (permalink)
Necromancer Divination Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,655	Wow, that sounds really exciting. And interesting. I'm glad to know that you are an actual musician PoorOldPo. Maybe you and your band will be one of the first pioneers to contribute something new, Good Luck my friend. What instrument do you play? Vocalist? One of the best artist I ever seen was only 17yrs old at the time. But man, he was definitely a Prodigy. Last edited by Necromancer; 12-07-2012 at 08:24 PM.

12-07-2012, 02:01 PM	#71 (permalink)
Necromancer Divination Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,655	Supertramps Fools Overture is a good example of progressive. A dominate keyboard/orchestrated section should exist?

12-07-2012, 02:02 PM	#72 (permalink)
Face Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: UK Posts: 306	I guess that's why I gave up on trying to remember genre labeling a long time ago, I can't remember (post, prog and maths are all pretty intechangeable really IMO) what half the ones I listen to technically "are". And some songs that are supposedly different genres I find more alike than ones from the same genre..simply because of the artist.

12-07-2012, 08:54 PM	#79 (permalink)
PoorOldPo Blue Pill Oww Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Luimneach, Eire Posts: 1,107	For the new album, vocals, Piano, Keys, guitar, xylaphone and I have written two songs for it. Glad you like it! I will send you a link of the new stuff as soon as it is up. __________________ https://www.instagram.com/hennas.lullaby/

09-21-2013, 09:32 PM	#80 (permalink)
IvanMC Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 258	Progressive without technicality... why is it that you guys would like to find this? Technicality isn't something... dismal, is it? Anyway, there's Rush (save for Peart), which indeed embodies the term progressive, there was... I don't know, but technicality isn't necessarily a bad thing.