Really?

How - to both?

I find the irony is that Proggers are notorious for arguing about the music - I've been a member of ProgArchives.com for almost 7 years now, and in that time, nothing has changed in this respect - they love to "establish the facts".

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I rather hoped you'd find that the way I'm debating is healthy and informative because it ousts the old fallacies and misconceptions - I fail to see how that hurts anyone.

Certif1ed, it's very hard to write a very few paragraphs introduction post about prog which is entirely accurate and does justice to a whole genere. I think you would've complained anyway because your comments are nitpicky. For example you mention that use of untraditional time signatures wasn't that widespread. I never wrote that it was. I wrote that it was something they had in common, so that's a nitpick. You write that all prog musicians were not excellent at playing instruments. That's a given. When King Crimson released their debut, it had huge influence on prog. Part of that was because their bar-raising skills at playing. Sure, instrumental excellence may not flavour the sound of every band as much, but was there ever a rock genre before when it had the same amount of importance? If you're sitting here in our time judging what they did then and thinking "Nahh, they're not that good", then you're doing it wrong. Your mind is out of the context of that time. And besides, skill is often treated as something entirely subjective. Many people here write that Yngwie Malmsteen is a **** guitar player, just because they hate his music.

The only way to satisfy a nitpick is generally to let them do it themselves, so if you want to give it a shot, go ahead and do a write-up. I'll exchange it for the one I've written in the OP.

Rishloo is a 2000s prog rock band. Prog archives had them, listed as crossover prog. Whatever... Influenced by Tool, vocalist sounds similar to Mars Volta, Coheed and Cambria, Tool, and his own style.





Porcupine Tree, pretty great 90s era albums...

This is my favorite...



and here's one for you 70s diehards...

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A lot of things, I won't make a list though. But in general there was nothing inaccurate at all with tore's description of prog, which he already has pointed out above. Since every word written outside the topic is disrespectful to the thread, I'm gonna keep it short here.

I didn't insult you, I pointed out that your arguments were ridiculous, especially considering where they were posted. If you want me to be more specific you're welcome to PM me or, even better, start a new thread on the topic of what prog rock consists of, 'cos I like to nitpick as well. Not here though.

I've always seen the musical differences in Prog & Punk as a bit like screwing women.

Prog is like the mousy plain girl who's kinky as hell in bed once you get to know her.

Punk is like the stunningly attractive girl that grabs your attention straight away & you might only get a bunk up in the back of a dark alley but you remember it forever.

As the librarian took off her glasses and let her hair down, ELP released "Love beach". (And someone got raped by "Never mind the bollocks").

An early Marillion fan :) :) Friends forever.

I am not a big Genesis fan (and apologies for the easy choice here). Foxtrot (1972) is a superb album in every sense but apart from the odd track or sequence I could never really get into them. The S/T 1980 album had a couple of duff tracks and is dated but the magnificent opening track Mama and the 2 part Home By The Sea are faves of mine.

Yes Phil Collins turned into a moron. Yes it is dad rock, yes it is dated, yes it is cliched but fuck yeah is the second part of Home By The Sea damn good.

I could spout off bands like Fifty Nine Hose or Flied Egg to appear cool but sod it. I like this track and so I post it:

22 of the best minutes of your life:

Tore, I remember you saying you hadn't fallen in love with VdGG. This is one of my favorites. Personally, it strikes me stronger than Crimson's 21st Century Schizoid Man. And I love that track, and that album. But VdGG's H to He Who Am the Only One really is a 10/10 album as far as I'm concerned. We need to throw it into Prog Album Club. ;)

Yes, and the main thing you get to know is that she has no genitals.