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jastrub 11-07-2010 04:14 PM
Rush for sure, but you forgot hemispheres! So much better. Supper's Ready is a close second.

mandelstam13 11-09-2010 12:43 AM
You forgot Can's Tago Mago!

Or are Can not prog enough for you??

Master_Yumyums 03-11-2011 04:22 PM
I picked Supper's Ready, with Starless and Close to the Edge as close seconds, followed by Gates of Delirium.

Howard the Duck 03-12-2011 10:13 AM
lotsa good stuff there - I picked Tubular Bells just because of its progression, virtuosity and melodicism

CTTE a second, Starless 3rd and 2112 4th, Echoes 5th, Gates of Delirium 6th Thick as Brick 7th mostly because I don't like Pt. 2 much

Guybrush 03-12-2011 10:15 AM
My favourite at the moment is Mumps .. I've fallen so deeply in love with Hatfield and the North that it's probably bordering on soppy. :p:

TockTockTock 03-13-2011 03:41 PM
Voted on the Soft Machine one. Didn't get enough attention, and I love the band.

ReadyWhenCalled 03-13-2011 03:44 PM
That's a tough one to choose, but I don't you can go wrong with Pink Floyd on this choice.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra 03-13-2011 03:52 PM
Weird choice for Magma. I would have went with "Mekanik Zain" from HHai. It's basically a super condensed amazing life performance of a rearranged MDK(with added fiddle). Eighteen minute performance, powerful as all Hell.

Guybrush 03-13-2011 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Skaligojurah (Post 1017595)
Weird choice for Magma. I would have went with "Mekanik Zain" from HHai. It's basically a super condensed amazing life performance of a rearranged MDK(with added fiddle). Eighteen minute performance, powerful as all Hell.
I'll reply to your post with a quote from my first post :

Quote:
Originally Posted by tore (Post 822621)
If you wanna vote for something which is not in the list, please, let me know with a post and I'll put it up there. Some of the bands here have several "epics" and in those cases, we chose one. That doesn't mean we can't add them to the poll! I just don't want to spend time adding stuff noone will vote for, so only suggest additions to the poll if you're gonna vote for them!

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra 03-14-2011 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tore (Post 1017601)
I'll reply to your post with a quote from my first post :
Naw, I think I already voted for something. It's more just, I was curious why of all Magma songs that was the one picked since I haven't seen it as a standout. At least compared to Kontarkoz(both Part 1, and 2), Riah Sahtiaahk, etc.

It's no biggie or anything. Just more a curiosity.

Baggs 04-13-2011 07:45 AM
There is no "Best".

Stop thinking like this.

Its embarrassing for all.

Guybrush 04-13-2011 08:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baggs (Post 1036004)
There is no "Best".

Stop thinking like this.

Its embarrassing for all.
It's true that the title of the thread suggests there is a best, but if you look at the question posed in the first post and the poll, the question is actually which is your favourite.

I assume it's not embarassing having a favourite? ;)

Baggs 04-13-2011 08:57 AM
I realize it can be a totally unfamiliar line of thought which goes against all your most ingrained predilictions and illiberalities, but there can be no such thing as a single, singularity-"favorite".
For a few reasons - one of which is that Time changes all.

I cannot expect music forum people to understand this.


Oh! And please take Rush off that list.

Guybrush 04-13-2011 09:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baggs (Post 1036041)
For a few reasons - one of which is that Time changes all.
So what if favourites change? That doesn't mean that you can't have a favourite prog epic at a point in time.

The goal of this thread is roughly to discuss prog epics. Talking about favourites is one way to enable that. Hence, for all practical purposes, it works just fine, despite your flawed logic that there can't be a favourite.

Baggs 04-13-2011 09:32 AM
Birthcontrol "Backdoor Possibilities" is a TOP epic concept.

Put that on your list.

Guybrush 04-13-2011 09:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baggs (Post 1036054)
Birthcontrol "Backdoor Possibilities" is a TOP epic concept.

Put that on your list.
Does that album contain a prog epic as in basically a really long prog rock song like any of the songs in the poll above?

Baggs 04-13-2011 03:22 PM
No, it does not.

I misunderstood the thread.
(My idea of "epic" is the whole shebang -a concept. Not a single track.)

TheNiceGuy 09-24-2011 02:34 AM
I'm really regretting saying that Close to the Edge was only reasonably impressive before in another thread. I now realise that it truly deserves it's great reputation. Honourable mentions to Thick as a Brick and Tarkus.

Howard the Duck 09-24-2011 10:10 AM
Marillion's Grendel?

4 real

that sounds like a 3rd or 4th rate Gabriel-era Genesis and is pretty boring to boot

i have to admit Misplaced Childhood is very good, though

jastrub 09-25-2011 11:19 AM
My 2 favorite prog epics aren't on the list!

Cygnux X-1 Book II by Rush and The Musical Box by Genesis are both remarkable tracks that really shouldn't be overlooked. Both are really lifechanging.

Guybrush 09-25-2011 01:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jastrub (Post 1106328)
My 2 favorite prog epics aren't on the list!

Cygnux X-1 Book II by Rush and The Musical Box by Genesis are both remarkable tracks that really shouldn't be overlooked. Both are really lifechanging.
From the first post :

Quote:
Originally Posted by tore
If you wanna vote for something which is not in the list, please, let me know with a post and I'll put it up there. Some of the bands here have several "epics" and in those cases, we chose one. That doesn't mean we can't add them to the poll! I just don't want to spend time adding stuff noone will vote for, so only suggest additions to the poll if you're gonna vote for them!
So if you'd vote for any of those, they can be added.

RMR 10-09-2011 02:36 PM
While I like Tull's TAAB better as a complete album. Close to the Edge I think is the greatest prog epic; it is just flawless in every way.

Guybrush 10-09-2011 03:17 PM
My favourite prog epic at the moment is National Health's Tenemos Roads (which is not in the list), but I guess I can still stand by my vote for Close to the Edge. It really is brilliant even if I've long since listened the crap out of it :)

Trollheart 07-03-2012 05:10 AM
Probably few people have even heard of it, but "Creepshow" by Twelfth Night is a great prog epic, if it could be added?

Gucci Little Piggy 07-03-2012 07:11 AM
Maybe I'm just an idiot asking stupid shit, but isn't Shine On You Crazy Diamond a prog epic?

Howard the Duck 07-03-2012 07:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gucci Little Piggy (Post 1205437)
Maybe I'm just an idiot asking stupid shit, but isn't Shine On You Crazy Diamond a prog epic?
it's spilt into two parts

you should either vote for Parts I to V

or VI to IX

it's not one huge epic

Gucci Little Piggy 07-03-2012 08:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Howard the Duck (Post 1205443)
it's spilt into two parts

you should either vote for Parts I to V

or VI to IX

it's not one huge epic
That be true. If they would've just made sure that the parts could be played right after each other, but no.

Anteater 07-03-2012 10:44 AM
As far as proggy epics go, I've always felt Starcastle deserve a bit more love than they get. :D

Howard the Duck 07-03-2012 11:56 AM
if you want to get all technical about it, "echoes" isn't even prog

it has about 3 chords, and the solos are improvised jams

not really a "traditional" prog song, in any sense of the word

Jarvig 07-03-2012 12:03 PM
Echoes is psycedelic prog.

But the best epic is Pink Floyd - Dogs.

Big Ears 08-17-2012 01:39 PM
Close to the Edge on the list, but I like ELP's Karn Evil 9 and Pictures at an Exhibition.

Cinnamonics 01-25-2013 01:36 AM
There's no doubt in my mind, "Close to the Edge" is the ultimate epic prog song!

Paul Smeenus 02-18-2013 11:38 PM
I agree with most of what was posted to this thread, plus I'd like to add one


The Snow Goose



Camel - Snow Goose Excerpts - YouTube

Paul Smeenus 02-19-2013 12:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tore (Post 822849)
I love Thick as a Brick. The only downside to it is I feel like the song has a few fillers, parts that are less awesome.


TAAB is a great album IMO but it works even better as a condensed live piece, no better example than this absolute M'er F'er of a performance



Jethro Tull - Thick as a brick - live - 1978 - DVD - YouTube

Godstone 02-20-2013 12:25 AM
I just realised this poll is over a quarter of a decade old, and still more than half the options have had zero votes. Can we have a new version of this poll with all those 'nul points' epics replaced by others?

Paul Smeenus 07-23-2013 04:38 PM

Punk Ass Kid 07-28-2013 04:34 PM
I'm not much of a Prog fan, but I do like Tubular Bells by Mike Oldfield.

Guybrush 07-28-2013 05:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Godstone (Post 1288332)
I just realised this poll is over a quarter of a decade old, and still more than half the options have had zero votes. Can we have a new version of this poll with all those 'nul points' epics replaced by others?
Editing polls, once they've been made, is difficult unless you're a mod.

But feel free to make a new thread with a new poll.

Paul Smeenus 09-19-2013 01:32 PM
IMO the winner of this would specifically be the Yesshows version of Gates of Delirium. This is just a monster

CoolBec 09-19-2013 06:34 PM
Too many faves on the list to pick just one. This might be a controversial suggestion, but I'd offer that "Knights in White Satin" by the Moody Blues deserves a spot.


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