Have you heard Magnification and if so how could you not like it?

Keys to Ascension 1 & 2 are also very good, a mix of live and studio stuff.

Well, you got me there. I haven't heard it.

I have. It sucks; you can't replace Wakeman with an orchestra and just expect things to be on par with the glory days, because it isn't.

That's really awful logic. It sucks because Wakeman's not on it?

Uh... So Fragile, CTTE, Tales and GFTO are the only good Yes albums? Yeah, you couldn't be any more wrong.

I liked the Orchestra element but even if you don't, who cares if there's no Wakeman? It's their first good album since 90125. You're overstating Wakeman's importance a good deal, it's not as essential as say Howe, his return to the band really made a hell of a difference, The Ladder was meh but it was an improvement over everything before it, and Magnification was the point where they wisely dropped the 80s arena rock stuff for good.

i dont think thats what he was trying to say, more like it's not the same without wakeman... i agree.

Christ, give me a break here. No, its not JUST Wakeman's absence, its also the unfortunate fact that the songs on a compositional level lack the oomph of their 70's material (the title track and In the Presence Of being prime examples). Lots of boom and bombast, yet completely and utterly devoid of the vibrance they had in their collective youth.

And as Crash figured out (unlike you) from my last past, yeah I don't feel Yes was really the Yes I loved anymore after GFTO (with Wakeman hitting the road and Anderson only popping up sporadically). Something was lost with the advent of a new decade, and they haven't gotten it back since.

Doesn't make it a bad album. Surely you don't think The Yes Album and Relayer are bad do you?


I never said it was on par with their 70s stuff, but it's by no means bad. If you think that album is bad, you haven't heard anything they've done from Big Generator up until that point.

But whatever, I love the album, different strokes for different folks.

I unfortunately have had the pleasure of hearing it about a year ago, with my verdict being that Big Generator, Union, etc make Magnification look like their magnum opus. :laughing:

No of course not, actually I would put Relayer 3rd or 4th on my top Yes albums list. But the sound is undeniably different. Which isn't bad it's just different.



Oh god.....



Holy face-palm time.