Marillion's new album due out on Monday! (pop, rock, albums)

Trollheart · 10-16-2008, 07:58 AM

"Happiness is the road", the 15th Marillion album, is released on Monday! Let's hope it's better than "Somewhere else", which was the first Marillion album I didn't love, though I really tried.
Anyone else looking forward to this? It's a double, too...!

jackhammer · 10-16-2008, 01:34 PM

Nope. I am definitely old school and Marillion are'nt Marillion without Mr Derek W. Dick.

Trollheart · 10-17-2008, 08:00 AM

Jack, you really should give them a listen. Yes, they definitely changed slowly over time after Fish left (I'd say we saw the last real echoes of the Big Yin in "Season's end" and "Holidays in Eden", possibly resurfacing in "Brave"), and they are now a different band, but they're making some great music! Your loyalty to Fish is commendable, but I have never understood why some people have to choose: I love old Marillion, Fish solo and new Marillion -- I get the best of both worlds!

Trollheart · 10-20-2008, 07:35 AM

OK, I'm gonna listen to this over the next few days, let yaz know what I think. Is it not cool to post a few tracks, since the album is only out today?

boo boo · 10-21-2008, 01:22 AM

I never really got into this band. They're like Genesis without the wit.

Trollheart · 10-21-2008, 08:01 AM

Oh, now that is just not fair! Marillion suffered the inevitable comparisons with Genesis when they were starting out, and to be fair, they deserved them, as Fish certainly did a mean Gabriel, but over the span of their career, and with the departure of Fish they've successfully ditched that tag and stigma, and become very much their own band, and their own sound.
Albums like "Marillion.com", "Brave" and the recent "Marbles" will show you just how different they are from Genesis, then or now.
Do I have to post a compilation?

jackhammer · 10-21-2008, 01:37 PM

^^^

You could do and try and change my mind about their music post Fish. Marillion were a band around at the right time and place for me in the 80's. Comparison's with Genesis are correct but Marillion were a much more emotional band and were less concerned with the abstract and theatrical that early Genesis were.

Trollheart · 10-21-2008, 04:39 PM

Definitely agree. Whereas Genesis were more concerned with legends, mythology and other abstract concepts (after Trick of the Tail I think this changed, with "Robbery, assault and battery" kind of pulling them into the here and now -- sort of!), Marillion were from the first rooted in the harsh realities of the workaday world, as tracks like "Chelsea Monday", "She chameleon" and of course "Forgotten sons" from their debut (and still best?) album, the phenomenal "Script for a jester's tear" show. Even when they started getting a little more abstract, around the time of their magnum opus, "Misplaced childhood", everything was still very much rooted in the reality of today. Fish's solo stuff (which I'm sure you have) also followed this theme, with songs like "Internal exile", "Credo", "Sunsets on empire" and the superlative "Plague of ghosts" carrying on, in one form, the "old" Marillion tradition.
Marillion then evolved, not into a pop or even a rock band, because despite the departure of their charismatic and multi-talented frontman, they were still the same band that Steve Hogarth joined, and again I point to "Brave" as being perhaps their next-best album, the worthy successor (finally) to "Script". A more powerful and emotional body of work you'll do well to find. If anything, Marillion threatened to "go mainstream" off the back of MC, with "Kayleigh" just missing out on a number one slot, and "Lavender" well up in the top ten, then it all sort of calmed down and they were left to create their music away from the harsh, false lights of the record charts, and have, I think, remained a better band for it. No-one's denying that those two tracks are great, but within the body of MC they are far from the best examples of Marillion's groundbreaking work.
I too had the jitters when Fish left: after all, he had been THE face of the band, and seemed to be (rightly or wrongly) perceived as the driving force behind Marillion. But when I heard the first tinkling strains of "The king of sunset town", track 1 on "Season's end", Marillion's first album post-Fish, I knew my fears had been groundless. With superb tracks like "Easter", "The space", "Berlin" and "After me" on that album, not to mention the soulful, heartbreaking title track, Marillion were back, albeit in a slightly different form, but still the band I had known and loved from 1982, when I first clapped disbelieving ears on "Market square heroes".
Since then, they have only gone from strength to strength, with albums like "Anaroknophobia", "Marillion.com", "Afraid of sunlight" and "Marbles" showing this band have a firm musical direction post-Fish, a somewhat new sound, and are without a doubt, built to last!
Compilation coming up, as soon as I get some dinner!

Watch this space....

jackhammer · 10-21-2008, 04:43 PM

Nice post. Glad to hear that you liked the early stuff too. I am one of the few who prefered 'Fugazi' to 'Script..'. 'Grendel' is of course a masterpiece of prog and I have a big soft spot for 'Tux On' from 'B Side's Themselves'. Looking forward to the compilation (pressure on now

Urban Hat€monger ? · 10-21-2008, 07:46 PM

Jackhammer -1 cool point

10-16-2008, 07:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	Marillion's new album due out on Monday! "Happiness is the road", the 15th Marillion album, is released on Monday! Let's hope it's better than "Somewhere else", which was the first Marillion album I didn't love, though I really tried. Anyone else looking forward to this? It's a double, too...!

10-16-2008, 01:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	Nope. I am definitely old school and Marillion are'nt Marillion without Mr Derek W. Dick. __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

10-21-2008, 01:37 PM	#7 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	^^^ You could do and try and change my mind about their music post Fish. Marillion were a band around at the right time and place for me in the 80's. Comparison's with Genesis are correct but Marillion were a much more emotional band and were less concerned with the abstract and theatrical that early Genesis were. __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

10-21-2008, 04:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	Nice post. Glad to hear that you liked the early stuff too. I am one of the few who prefered 'Fugazi' to 'Script..'. 'Grendel' is of course a masterpiece of prog and I have a big soft spot for 'Tux On' from 'B Side's Themselves'. Looking forward to the compilation (pressure on now __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

10-21-2008, 07:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Jackhammer -1 cool point __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

10-17-2008, 08:00 AM	#3 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	Jack, you really should give them a listen. Yes, they definitely changed slowly over time after Fish left (I'd say we saw the last real echoes of the Big Yin in "Season's end" and "Holidays in Eden", possibly resurfacing in "Brave"), and they are now a different band, but they're making some great music! Your loyalty to Fish is commendable, but I have never understood why some people have to choose: I love old Marillion, Fish solo and new Marillion -- I get the best of both worlds!

10-20-2008, 07:35 AM	#4 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	OK, I'm gonna listen to this over the next few days, let yaz know what I think. Is it not cool to post a few tracks, since the album is only out today?

10-21-2008, 08:01 AM	#6 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	Oh, now that is just not fair! Marillion suffered the inevitable comparisons with Genesis when they were starting out, and to be fair, they deserved them, as Fish certainly did a mean Gabriel, but over the span of their career, and with the departure of Fish they've successfully ditched that tag and stigma, and become very much their own band, and their own sound. Albums like "Marillion.com", "Brave" and the recent "Marbles" will show you just how different they are from Genesis, then or now. Do I have to post a compilation?

10-21-2008, 04:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	Definitely agree. Whereas Genesis were more concerned with legends, mythology and other abstract concepts (after Trick of the Tail I think this changed, with "Robbery, assault and battery" kind of pulling them into the here and now -- sort of!), Marillion were from the first rooted in the harsh realities of the workaday world, as tracks like "Chelsea Monday", "She chameleon" and of course "Forgotten sons" from their debut (and still best?) album, the phenomenal "Script for a jester's tear" show. Even when they started getting a little more abstract, around the time of their magnum opus, "Misplaced childhood", everything was still very much rooted in the reality of today. Fish's solo stuff (which I'm sure you have) also followed this theme, with songs like "Internal exile", "Credo", "Sunsets on empire" and the superlative "Plague of ghosts" carrying on, in one form, the "old" Marillion tradition. Marillion then evolved, not into a pop or even a rock band, because despite the departure of their charismatic and multi-talented frontman, they were still the same band that Steve Hogarth joined, and again I point to "Brave" as being perhaps their next-best album, the worthy successor (finally) to "Script". A more powerful and emotional body of work you'll do well to find. If anything, Marillion threatened to "go mainstream" off the back of MC, with "Kayleigh" just missing out on a number one slot, and "Lavender" well up in the top ten, then it all sort of calmed down and they were left to create their music away from the harsh, false lights of the record charts, and have, I think, remained a better band for it. No-one's denying that those two tracks are great, but within the body of MC they are far from the best examples of Marillion's groundbreaking work. I too had the jitters when Fish left: after all, he had been THE face of the band, and seemed to be (rightly or wrongly) perceived as the driving force behind Marillion. But when I heard the first tinkling strains of "The king of sunset town", track 1 on "Season's end", Marillion's first album post-Fish, I knew my fears had been groundless. With superb tracks like "Easter", "The space", "Berlin" and "After me" on that album, not to mention the soulful, heartbreaking title track, Marillion were back, albeit in a slightly different form, but still the band I had known and loved from 1982, when I first clapped disbelieving ears on "Market square heroes". Since then, they have only gone from strength to strength, with albums like "Anaroknophobia", "Marillion.com", "Afraid of sunlight" and "Marbles" showing this band have a firm musical direction post-Fish, a somewhat new sound, and are without a doubt, built to last! Compilation coming up, as soon as I get some dinner! Watch this space....