Having just read your latest post here (beginning, "yeah thats true etc...") I'm in danger of being made to eat my words.
Well written...credit due.

I accept I have been seen to be insulting but I assure you I meant it as a joke just light and piss taking. It's just my way.
See it as funny and take the piss back it is just sometimes I write while quite intoxicated!
Has anyone done a thread about the funniest record they heard or the best music film?
Watch Rockers about rasta's in the music industry it is so funny. I swear it is so funny you'll nearly die of laughter.

No. I would still rather talk about Pink Floyd in this thread. If that is OKAY with you, that is.

ok back to the topic.

which member do you think turned them into "weed" music? and does this make them a better band?
i'm thinkin gilmour but i dont know for sure and are prolly rong :D

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your my new hero...

OK ...lets start all over again shall we?
ADELE, I'm going to send you a PM.

cool man.
You know something, I just read something in a book I have and I have to take back what I said. Waters wrote most of DSOTM including the last half of the album including the guitar.
I take back what I said because something was niggling me and I checked bio's of the band and some video's I have.
Not doing down Gilmour but from what I read he behaved alot like a session player while waters wrote the licks and lyrics.
The court case found he was too unfair and only awarded to the others because they were 3 to one.
And also he was inspired by syd and some of syds works he had on paper.
He also spent most time in the studio with his ideas.
Considering he also was the talent with syd in the beginning I would say it was waters. I do agree with the previous about the wall been like a shrink session but it is still great and what floyd were about. I was wrong, I reckon waters is really pink floyd. He has been wronged and deserves credit.
cheers for that email.
believe me when you talk **** you get **** and I like it.
If I go making sweeping statements I expect to be slated and that is fun and cool and people up their game. I'll tell you one thing, I know nought about 99% of bands and music as I am dull and only listen to the old bands I always have and should listen to other stuff. But I do love the bands I talk about.

waters easily, he was the main songwriter in DSOTM, wish you were here, animals, the wall, and the final cut

I don't care who you prefer, but Syd Barrett? Theres no way he is the most talented member of Floyd.

Waters is the best songwriter and he's a pretty decent bass player, and he may be my favorite lyricist. But Gilmour is a better singer, and an amazing guitarist AND a pretty good songwriter, hell he's even a better bass player. So I gotta go with him.

Richard Wright is also a very talented musician, not only as a keyboardist but he has a great voice too and he is quite overlooked as a songwriter, he has some interesting solo material.

Who knows, he could have been? He is certainly the most influential. PF remain one of the few bands that remain influenced by his work whether consciously or not.

I got into Floyd through the classic Gilmour era (Meddle etc) and he will always be my favourite guitarist but as I have got older my appreciation for Syd Barrett increases every day. The guy was a damn genius (I never use that term lightly) and was far ahead of his time musically. Early floyd is completely dominated by him and without that base, latter day Floyd would never be the beast it became.

Yeah, but being the most influencial dosen't equal = most talented.

Waters and Gilmour are both better songwriters and composers in pretty much every way, in addition to being better musicians as well.

I love Barrett era Floyd, but I think calling Barrett a genius is taking it way too far.

Of course it isnt. Astronomy Domine is one of the Floyds best tracks ever and it easier to judge a musical career over many years. Syd's contribution sonically was a year. What a year that is.

Barrett was a genius because he looked at musical forumale froma completely different view point. His stamp is still; even post-Waters, all over Pink Floyd even now.

Again you're confusing influence with talent.

I agree 100%

"piper at the gates of dawn" and "saucerful of secrets" are both great albums but not even close some of the other psychedelic rock albums of that era, like "sgt. pepper's lonely hearts club band" or "surrealistic pillow"

Syd only wrote one song for Saucerful of Secrets anyway.

yeah he didn't have the control he did in piper, but he still contributed

U have a Piper username and quote Surrealistic Pillow BETTER than Piper?

Piper is even better SGT. PEPPERS. Just becauses it's not as popular dosen't mean anything.

EDIT by boo boo: Oops, sorry jack, I tried to quote you and accidently edited your post. :(

It is better than Piper.

Absolutely not.

I don't really like comparing Syd Barrett to Roger Waters. I've just never found them very comparable musically. To me it's always been like saying "Well Husker Du is better than Yes" it's like uh okay. Of course Syd vs. Roger is a bit less radical but you get the idea.

Yes, I do believe that surrealistic pillow is better than piper, and piper is not even close to sgt.pepper's. Syd Barret was great, but his music has nowhere near the depth or complexity that lennon/mccartney's does.

I think you're underrating how good Piper at the Gates of Dawn is and how much of an impact it had. Besides Syd Barrett's music has more depth to it than half the Beatles stuff.

Hahaha.

Nah. Lennon, McCartney and Harrison all wrote songs about some very deep things.

Barrett wrote songs about...... Gnomes and bicycles.

very true

oh, and scarecrows

Yeah and Yellow Submarines, Octopuses Gardens... Besides notice how I didn't specify which half I was talking about. The Beatles weren't very deep at all until Revolver and some of Rubber Soul.

I'd say Rubber Soul is a very deep album. And even if they wrote mostly love songs in their early career, they still wrote some pretty potent songs.

Syd had some potent moments yes, Jugband Blues is one. But most of his songs were just incoherent ramblings of a man in serious need of help.

And thats a bad thing because?

I didn't say it was a bad thing. It's just not my idea of a deep songwriting genius.

IMO Waters and Gilmour are better songwriters, lyricists, singers and musicians. And since they relied on each others talents so much, I wouldn't even call them geniuses, at least as individuals. And if Waters and Gilmour aren't geniuses then Barrett most certainly isn't.

Genius is not a word I think should be thrown around loosely, Miles Davis was a genius, Stravinsky was a genius, Dylan was a genius at least lyrically, Lennon and McCartney were genius pop songwriters. The guy who wrote Bike, a genius? Nah.

Fairy muff

Barrett-Bike-Genius. you just don't get it yet.

I know I'm coming in late on the conversation but just to put my two cents in I have to go with David Gilmour. Put on a set of good headphones and listen to that soaring guitar. Very few people have such a personal tone as he! I think it was the element of their music that made Pink Floyd a much loved group. The songwriting is great but in the mind of the average listener (and myself as well) it was the guitar that set the mood and tone of the music and made it so spacey and enjoyable.

What's Frank Zappa not doing on that list? :nono:

I'm not gonna list off everybody I think is a genius, but yeah, Zappa qualifies.

Comparing The Piper At the Gates of Dawn to Sgt. Peppers is pretty unfair I'd say. I mean I can turn around and go "Well Sgt. Peppers doesn't have shit on Beetoven" in an attempt to make Sgt. Peppers look bad but is that really fair of me? I love both albums (Piper more than Peppers) and I don't see what's wrong with that.

I also think if you're going to examine Syd Barrett's music you should examine how creative and different it was and not just focus on the lyrics. I mean I personally love the lyrics but they're not for everyone. Besides since when is lyrical depth the only criteria for being talented?

Would Sgt Pepper have sounded the way it did had Lennon , McCartney & Harrison not spent 1966 & 67 going down the UFO club checking out Pink Floyd.

I wonder.

Early Pink Floyd was different yes, in the sense that they were one of the first English Psychedelic rock acts. Jefferson Airplane and other US bands were already doing Barretts kinda thing a few years earlier.

Barretts discography is very small. And while theres some excellent songs in there like See Emily Play and Astronomy Domine and Octopus. Theres nothing in there that suggests to me this man was a genius, and certainly not a bigger talent than Waters, Gilmour or even Wright.

Post Syd Floyd had a lot of songs I think overall were more brilliant than anything Barrett has done, like Echoes, Dogs and Shine On You Crazy Diamond.

Sgt. Peppers dosen't sound anything like Pink Floyd, maybe they inspired it somewhat. But I think Sgt Peppers owes more to Pet Sounds and Freak Out than anything else.

And, let's face it, Freak Out! is better than The Piper at the Gates of Dawn, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, and Pet Sounds.

Hahahahahahahaha.

Nah. Absolutely not, on all counts. They're all masterpieces. But.

Sgt Peppers
Pet Sounds
Pipers
Freak Out

I actually think something like Bike (Which I know you hate :) ) is much closer to the stuff on Sgt Pepper than anything Zappa did thats on there. But then I don't really like the album and haven't heard it in years so I may be wrong.

Um, wrong?

Wrong.

Freak Out!
Pet Sounds
The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

Boo Boo Bike is my favorite Pink Floyd song and I've heard Animals, Wish You Were Here, Obscured by Clouds, Meddle, The Wall and others :(

I don't think they were playing Bike before Piper, which was recorded and released after Sgt Peppers. I might be wrong though.

Freak Out was influencial on Sgt Peppers more for its flow and themes than its sound, while Pet Sounds influenced the albums production style and use of unconventional sounds and instrumentation, though Pet Sounds in turn was influenced by Rubber Soul. Either way The Beatles cited both as influences on that album, sure they raved about Floyd, but they never cited Floyd as being a big influence Sgt Peppers, at least that I know of.