Prog Debate (indie, metal, punk, reggae, rock)

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-20-2008, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

No way in hell is VU experimental, and only their image is arty.

Riiiiiiight

Of course every rock n roll band was writing 15 minute songs with monologues and songs with audio feedback , electronic effects and tape loops in them in 1967

ProggyMan · 01-20-2008, 12:21 AM

I call that ridiculous not arty. Judging by your previous posts on them you agree with me. I think VU tryed to have an arty sound (Probably Andy Warhols idea) and ended up sounding like cave men who got their hands on a violin and a 4-track.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-20-2008, 12:25 AM

Whether I like them or not is irrelevant.

They were experimental and they innovated a lot of things. It's the nature of experimental music that not everything will work which is why i'm more of a fan of what they spawned rather than what they did. They had more ideas in the few years they were around than most bands do in a lifetime , and although not everything they did musically appeals to me i'll always respect & give credit to them for what they paved.

ProggyMan · 01-20-2008, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Whether I like them or not is irrelevant.

They were experimental and they innovated a lot of things. It's the nature of experimental music that not everything will work which is why i'm more of a fan of what they spawned rather than what they did. They had more ideas in the few years they were around than most bands do in a lifetime , and although not everything they did musically appeals to me i'll always respect & give credit to them for what they paved.

What exactly did they innovate? Their music was very different from anything else at the time, and used more feedback than anyone else had, but they really weren't very experimental or groundbreaking. Influential, but that has nothing to do with being a prog band.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-20-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

What exactly did they innovate?

Most of my record collection ranging from Bowie , through art rock punk & indie to current drone bands

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Their music was very different from anything else at the time, and used more feedback than anyone else had, but they really weren't very experimental or groundbreaking.

Already explained this to you the feedback was only one issue , I gave you others.

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Influential, but that has nothing to do with being a prog band.

Never said it was I don't know why you're pointing this out to me perhaps you should go back & read and follow the debate rather than trying to point score.

ProggyMan · 01-20-2008, 12:45 AM

Everything you brought up was them being different from their colleagues, not actual innovation. 15 minute songs have nothing to do with being innovative, same with monologues, and the rest has been there done that.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-20-2008, 12:48 AM

Name me 5 Rock n Roll bands from 1967 who were combining ALL of those things.

ProggyMan · 01-20-2008, 12:50 AM

How do you not get it? Being different from the current scene doesn't mean you're innovative.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-20-2008, 12:52 AM

You said people had done it before.

I'm just asking which rock n roll bands has incorporated those things into rock music before them.

ProggyMan · 01-20-2008, 01:03 AM

Well, I looked up some of their history and they used alternate tunings on their instruments, and a bunch of other stuff I didn't know about. So I concede that they were innovative.

01-20-2008, 12:25 AM	#23 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Whether I like them or not is irrelevant. They were experimental and they innovated a lot of things. It's the nature of experimental music that not everything will work which is why i'm more of a fan of what they spawned rather than what they did. They had more ideas in the few years they were around than most bands do in a lifetime , and although not everything they did musically appeals to me i'll always respect & give credit to them for what they paved. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

01-20-2008, 12:48 AM	#27 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Name me 5 Rock n Roll bands from 1967 who were combining ALL of those things. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

01-20-2008, 12:52 AM	#29 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	You said people had done it before. I'm just asking which rock n roll bands has incorporated those things into rock music before them. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

01-20-2008, 12:21 AM	#22 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	I call that ridiculous not arty. Judging by your previous posts on them you agree with me. I think VU tryed to have an arty sound (Probably Andy Warhols idea) and ended up sounding like cave men who got their hands on a violin and a 4-track.

01-20-2008, 12:45 AM	#26 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	Everything you brought up was them being different from their colleagues, not actual innovation. 15 minute songs have nothing to do with being innovative, same with monologues, and the rest has been there done that.

01-20-2008, 12:50 AM	#28 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	How do you not get it? Being different from the current scene doesn't mean you're innovative.

01-20-2008, 01:03 AM	#30 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	Well, I looked up some of their history and they used alternate tunings on their instruments, and a bunch of other stuff I didn't know about. So I concede that they were innovative.