Riiiiiiight

Of course every rock n roll band was writing 15 minute songs with monologues and songs with audio feedback , electronic effects and tape loops in them in 1967

I call that ridiculous not arty. Judging by your previous posts on them you agree with me. I think VU tryed to have an arty sound (Probably Andy Warhols idea) and ended up sounding like cave men who got their hands on a violin and a 4-track.

Whether I like them or not is irrelevant.

They were experimental and they innovated a lot of things. It's the nature of experimental music that not everything will work which is why i'm more of a fan of what they spawned rather than what they did. They had more ideas in the few years they were around than most bands do in a lifetime , and although not everything they did musically appeals to me i'll always respect & give credit to them for what they paved.

What exactly did they innovate? Their music was very different from anything else at the time, and used more feedback than anyone else had, but they really weren't very experimental or groundbreaking. Influential, but that has nothing to do with being a prog band.

Most of my record collection ranging from Bowie , through art rock punk & indie to current drone bands

Already explained this to you the feedback was only one issue , I gave you others.

Never said it was I don't know why you're pointing this out to me perhaps you should go back & read and follow the debate rather than trying to point score.

Everything you brought up was them being different from their colleagues, not actual innovation. 15 minute songs have nothing to do with being innovative, same with monologues, and the rest has been there done that.

Name me 5 Rock n Roll bands from 1967 who were combining ALL of those things.

How do you not get it? Being different from the current scene doesn't mean you're innovative.

You said people had done it before.

I'm just asking which rock n roll bands has incorporated those things into rock music before them.

Well, I looked up some of their history and they used alternate tunings on their instruments, and a bunch of other stuff I didn't know about. So I concede that they were innovative.