Frank Zappa Appreciation Thread

[Guybrush]

Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station

There's nothing misogynistic about having sex with groupies.

No (though Gail didn't approve), but the lyrics coupled with the stories make it seem like he didn't really respect women.

From his secretary:

Butcher moved to the US and became his full-time secretary, despite the lack of convention with which the role was first suggested to her: "Do you think if we ****ed, you could still work for me as my secretary?" Zappa asked.

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But gradually she began to experience moments of clarity. When Butcher heard one of the "Mothers" – the members of Zappa's backing band, the Mothers of Invention – say he felt sorry for one groupie because she had been with three different musicians on consecutive nights, she became irritated, since the men who behaved that way were congratulated for "scoring". Or as she says, with understatement: "I began to notice the double-standard."

Butcher was upset when Zappa did not see her point of view. Something clicked in her mind when she saw feminist campaigners in the news. "I saw a banner that said: 'Love me less, respect me more.' And I just thought: 'Yes. That's it.'" Butcher read Kate Millett's Sexual Politics, which came as a revelation to her, as it did to many women at that time. Excitedly, she told Zappa what she had realised. "I thought he'd be sympathetic, but he wasn't, completely the opposite."

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...nk-zappa-women

I'm sure I've read he for a while used to give trophies to groupies for ****ing him, which also seems a little narcissistic and condescending.