Frank Zappa Appreciation Thread

[Frownland]

Damn the sophist is still blabbering?

Your hero's a ****bag, get over it.

[Marie Monday]

Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station

I'm not literally reading his intention, etc. The reason I said that is that what he's saying isn't actually in what we're talking about. So it must be coming from somewhere. I'm simply assuming that that would be his view.

How do you believe that we can literally read mental content such as intentions, thoughts, meanings, etc. into expressions correlated with the same? Can you explain the epistemic process there?

Context, non-verbal communication, and lots of other things. I'd never thought the forum's resident Autism Girl would ever get to explain these things to someone

[Mucha na Dziko]

Originally Posted by bob_32_116

I never bothered to seriously investigate Frank Zappa, having heard maybe an hour's worth in total of cuts from various albums, and not particularly liking any of them.

What albums were the ones you've heard?
He has a couple distinctive phases, very different from each other

[Mucha na Dziko]

I'd like to point out that this is the "Frank Zappa Appreciation Thread"

But seeing the amount of disdain that man gets here, maybe we should also have a "Frank Zappa is a Douchebag Thread", and this discussion could continue there?

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Mucha na Dziko

I'd like to point out that this is the "Frank Zappa Appreciation Thread"

But seeing the amount of disdain that man gets here, maybe we should also have a "Frank Zappa is a Douchebag Thread", and this discussion could continue there?

Thread Nazis can gtfo.

[Frownland]

Then we'd have to split the douchebag thread into Zappa is a douche because of x and Zappa is a douche because of y, forever fracturing the conversation to the point of each member getting their own Zappa thread. His relationship with Wild Man Fischer seemed pretty mockingly exploitative of his mental illness, which is a bigger issue than his sexism imo.

I'd rather talk about the music too so I'll just remind everyone of how underrated Läther is. I'd still call myself a fan despite my criticisms.

[Mucha na Dziko]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Thread Nazis can gtfo.

I just mean that if I was to come to MB and wanted to talk about how great Zappa's music is, then I wouldn't be too thrilled about entering the "Zappa Appreciation Thread" and seeing a long quarrel about whether Zappa was a sexist or not.

[The Batlord]

Good. Keep out Zappa fans.

[Psy-Fi]

Frank Zappa Deprecation Thread.

[Lisnaholic]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Then we'd have to split the douchebag thread into Zappa is a douche because of x and Zappa is a douche because of y, forever fracturing the conversation to the point of each member getting their own Zappa thread.

I'd like a thread of "Zappa Fans Who Disagree With Terrapin's Take On Meaning" please. Because I'm not remotely buying into this idea:-

Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station

Meaning is subjective. It depends on what an individual has in mind, how the individual is thinking about the term in question. There's no necessary way to think about a term, positive, negative, or whatever.

"Five disgusting cockroaches" Does this term depend on what an individual has in mind? How can it mean anything except a precise number of insects that the speaker dislikes? If an individual has "three nice ponies" in mind, that's a misinterpretation; it's not, imo, an equally valid, subjective way to think about the term "five disgusting cockroaches".
(Examples of "five" not meaning 5 and "disgusting" used in a way that is not negatively judgemental would be appreciated, plus, for good measure, a subjective meaning for cockroach that is significantly different from what I'll find if I google "cockroach".)
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I'd rather talk about the music too so I'll just remind everyone of how underrated Läther is. I'd still call myself a fan despite my criticisms.

I'm guilty of contributing to this underratement. I never listen to Läther, and I can't remember why.