Actually words like "boring" is obviously my opinion (it's a forum, you don't have to keep saying it's my opinion), but it's obviously not an opinion when I start to talk musically and don't use words like "crap"; it's fact.

facts based on your opinions. im listening to them right now, and ive heard a few "solos", and i think their music progresses quite a bit more than you seem to think it does. their music doesnt have to "bear the definition of progressive" on its forehead. so, still what you stated was your opinion, and if fact at all....questionable fact.

I didn't say there were no solos at all, I said they aren't musically impressive - even the least bit in comparison to good prog bands. And it's fact that they aren't labelled as prog/art rock anymore(by most music critics).

Id say they are as prog as ever...regardless of what they said about labels....and when it comes to being musically impressive just because they arent doing all kinds of virtuosos and arpeggios doesnt mean they arent musically impressive....They have great composition
And to add to that amazing lyrics

I like both, but De-Loused just that much more.

An Oscar Wilde quote and a Joy Division lyric as your user name. I'm sure I know you.
Edit: Never mind. I do know now.

But anyway who says Omar Rodriguez doesn't have musically impressive guitar solos? I'm uninformed to what musically impressive guitar solos are, not being a guitarist myself, but at the very least he's damn innovative.

And talk of them being prog? They seem to be encapsulate whatever it was I understood prog to be. What might your definition of progressive rock be then, Don?

Let's dissect a definition of progressive rock applying it to the Mars Volta. This definition came from allmusic.com, a fairly credible source:
"Prog-rock tends to be more traditionally melodic (even when multi-sectioned compositions replace normal song structures), more literary (poetry or sci-fi/fantasy novels), and more oriented toward classically trained instrumental technique"
Melodic: Check.
Multi-sectioned compositions: Check.
Literary: Based off their lyrics, and the name itself as an homage to science-fiction novels, check.
Oriented towards classically trained instrumental technique: You'd probably say otherwise but it's pretty opinion oriented and I'm inclined to hear echoes of classical in TMV.
Intrinsically album-based, taking advantage of the format's capacity for longer, more complex compositions and extended instrumental explorations. In fact, many prog bands were fond of crafting concept albums that made unified statements, usually telling an epic story or tackling a grand overarching theme: Check.

^ well said and i agree 100%

Well...Now i made this thread quiet a while ago...my preference has changed...i now prefer Frances The Mute more....And im Uber exited for the new album which should be out around June

I prefer Frances.

I prefer Frances but De-loused is a whole lot easier to swallow for someone who is not already a fan.