The Prog Education Thread (rock, review, quote, bands, Hang)

[boo boo]

Anyone who has questions about a certain band and weither or not they qualify as prog should feel free to comment on this thread.

[cardboard adolescent]

Originally Posted by Seltzer

I believe you mean "biased against" rather than "biased towards".

Yeah.. by "towards" I meant "regarding," as opposed to "in favor of," but you're right... GRAMMAR NAZI!!!

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by Seltzer

I believe you mean "biased against" rather than "biased towards".

Im not biased against punk rock, i dont know how i could be, since i happen to like a good deal of punk rock....The Ramones are one of my favorite bands, and Alexisonfire made a point when he said that The Ramones were so anti-progressive that they were in a way progressive themselves, dont get the wrong idea, they are not prog, rock that is progressive isnt automaticly progressive rock, sounds a little like a oxymoron there but being progressive rock isnt as simple as its title suggests.

The reasons i didnt focus very much on the punk rock communities point of view is because i didnt want to go off topic and because i didnt have enough room due to the 10000 character limit.

Still, you should notice that i never debunked the claims about prog being pretentious by saying they were not true, nor did i ever say they were true, i basicly left that to the reader to decide, since its a matter of opinion anyway.

[cardboard adolescent]

It's just that this part:

Originally Posted by boo boo

...the complex musical arangements replaced with ridiculously basic songs, the long compositions replaced with songs that are less than 2 minutes, the technical and precise musicianship replaced with a primitave and often sloppy playing style and the complex narratives replaced with simple messages and catchy lyrics...

made it seem a bit biased against punk, and sorry, I missed the part where you adressed people seeing prog as pretentious and self-indulgent.

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

It's just that this part:



made it seem a bit biased against punk, and sorry, I missed the part where you adressed people seeing prog as pretentious and self-indulgent.

I mention it several times, especialy when i explained the main reason prog lost its popularity in the 70s, people clearly got tired of its overexposure, the same fate that punk rock (or what is labeled as punk rock) is suffering today, its a continuing cycle.

Also the things i said about punk was not a negative subjective remark, but a objective fact, i never said being sloppy or basic was bad, but from a technical point of view most punk is basic in structure, and there are few punk musicians that would be considered "virtuoso's"...This is a undisputable fact, i never meant it as a negative remark...And i certainly didnt say that punk rock was lacking in quality because of this fact, not at all.

[Seltzer]

Originally Posted by boo boo

Im not biased against punk rock, i dont know how i could be, since i happen to like a good deal of punk rock....The Ramones are one of my favorite bands, and Alexisonfire made a point when he said that The Ramones were so anti-progressive that they were in a way progressive themselves, dont get the wrong idea, they are not prog, rock that is progressive isnt automaticly progressive rock, sounds a little like a oxymoron there but being progressive rock isnt as simple as its title suggests.

The reasons i didnt focus very much on the punk rock communities point of view is because i didnt want to go off topic and because i didnt have enough room due to the 10000 character limit.

Still, you should notice that i never debunked the claims about prog being pretentious by saying they were not true, nor did i ever say they were true, i basicly left that to the reader to decide, since its a matter of opinion anyway.

Don't worry. I didn't mean that you were biased at all. I was just being a grammar nazi .

[Muzak]

Very nice. I didn't realize that there was so many genres. There needs to be one of these education thread for every forum.

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by Muzak

Very nice. I didn't realize that there was so many genres. There needs to be one of these education thread for every forum.

There doing 'em =)

[boo boo]

Anyway, i should have done this earlier, but oh well, here are a list of bands whose material i have on MP3, so if you havent heard much from these bands and would like to, you can either IM me or i can hook you up through PM.

Aphrodites Child
Arena
Atomic Rooster
Barclay James Harvest
Blackmores Night
Brand X
Buckethead
Camel
Can
Captian Beefheart and The Magic Band
Caravan
Colosseum
Curved Air
Dream Theater
Egg
Eloy
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
Focus
Frank Zappa
Genesis
Gentle Giant
Gong
Greenslade
Hawkwind
Howe, Steve
Il Balletto Di Bronco
IQ
Jethro Tull
Jon Anderson
King Crimson
Magma
Mahavishnu Orchestra
Marillion
Matching Mole
Mike Oldfield
Nektar
Opeth
Ozric Tentacles
Pink Floyd
Porcupine Tree
Premiata Forneria Marconi
Primus
Procol Harum
Queen
Queensryche
Quintessence
Radiohead
Renaissance
Rhapsody
Roxy Music
Rush
Sigur Ros
Soft Machine
Spocks Beard
Strawbs
Symphony X
Tangerine Dream
The Flower Kings
The Mars Volta
The Moody Blues
The Nice
Tool
Traffic
UK
Uriah Heep
Utopia
Van Der Graff Generator
Vanilla Fudge
Yes

And you can also find free music from other prog artists mentioned on the first page here.

http://www.progarchives.com/

[riseagainstrocks]

^ Clean out your inbox.

since you haven't I'll request them here.

Can I have some Symphony X and Rhapsody please?

www.yousendit.com works best, unless the music is already loaded online somewhere