DriveYourCarDownToTheSea

Well, I guess it depends on what kind of people you prefer to be around!

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Frownland

Imo, even though I love the guy's music, Schoenberg was kind of close minded for such an innovator. I wouldn't be surprised if that was passed on to at least some of his fans (although it didn't seem to affect Cage).

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Ninetales

Ya not dweebs thanks

William_the_Bloody

hmmm, I'll go with anything that has the pop artists composing their own music, instead of sampling beats and twiddling with knobs

Frownland

What if it's so seamless that it sounds like a full band even though it's what you described? Would finding out that it's a person using samples and electronics make you dislike the piece that you previously loved?

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William_the_Bloody

No, a good song is a good song, I'm just sick of all the talentless R&B and EDM bull$hit that rules our top 40 world.

Frownland

Well then it sounds like you should be more against the bull**** element than the process that was used to create it. There's a lot of horrible rock out there like Journey or Three Days Grace, and even though I prefer electronic artists like Actress or Oneohtrix Point Never, I'm not going to make an affront to acoustically based artists. I think that since there's such a diversity in songs/sounds, then there's infinitely more diversity in sampling since you can change the sound of the sample through several means like reverse effect, reverb, speed shift, flanger, phaser...the list is endless.

I find the whole anti-electronic vibe to be ignorant tbh. It doesn't give credit to the computer or processor as an instrument as it should be considered and that attitude takes away from the passion that electronic artists have when it comes to their music. What you can accomplish with electronics is massive, but if you've only heard lame techno or Skrillex, I can see why you'd think otherwise.

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William_the_Bloody

That was rather long rant lol,

Since all I did throughout a large part of the 90's was listen to electronic music, it would be wrong to label me anti electronic.

Nevertheless, if your going to make electronic music learn to play the keyboard, or at least how to compose arrangements, as opposed to just twiddling with knobs and matching a beat.

So many Electronic dance songs do not have choruses or bridges because there just sampling someone else's creativity, which is why most pop artists suck these days. Just imagine how good Rihanna and Kesha would be if they had just a quarter of the musical talent that Annie Lennox has.

Frownland

That may be true in the pop realm, I honestly don't follow much so I'm not sure how much water that statement holds. I just know that there are so many current electronic artists that would be a better alternative to the pop that I have heard than most current non-electronic artists. 'Just twiddling with knobs' is harder than a lot of people give credit for. I'm a musician, and making something using samples and effects is something that I've tried and failed at many times.

Dissenting against a style or group of artists in popular music is one thing, but when you go about making the argument about the instrumentation and composition instead of the music itself is where you start to lose me.

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Ninetales

guy with guitar avatar complains about the state of electtronic music more at 11 jim