K Pop

Plankton · 09-29-2022, 08:11 AM

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Trollheart · 09-29-2022, 09:16 AM

Message for K-Addict and ChefBrunch (and anyone else interested): if you look back a few pages you'll see I wrote a major article some years ago on the subject of boybands, as part of a series called "Stranger in a Strange Land", the idea being for me to investigate music I was not familiar with. I'm now considering if I should do this with K-pop.

The idea is, as it was then, to break the genre up into its various periods (for boybands I had three: original ones such as New Edition, New Kids on the Block etc, boybands at their height (Backstreet Boys, Nsync etc) and "new" bands such as The Wanted and Westlife) and take up to four albums from each, to see what differences, if any, there were, both between the bands and between the periods.

The article was written, as you'll see if you look back, as a sort of travelogue, with lots of my usual writing drivel between reviews, and at the end I gave my conclusions.

Now I never was any sort of expert on boybands, but I had a vague idea through their music more or less seeping into me by osmosis through things like the radio and shows like American Idol and The X Factor, but other than the handful of albums I skimmed for my thread mentioned elsewhere, I know little to nothing of K-pop.

This is where I need your help, guys. Is, as I assume it is, the genre restricted entirely to South Korea, or is it practiced outside of that country's borders? Are there periods/styles/variations I should examine? Which bands are good (iyo) and which are bad? I prefer to feature both, so as to get a balanced review. What do I need to know that I don't know about K-pop, apart from everything?

If you're willing to help, offer advice, recommendations, sources, great. If you want to collaborate that's fine too. If you want to tell me where to stick it, well, I've struggled on before without any help from anyone so I won't be insulted and I won't be discouraged. But I would prefer to approach this with the knowledge of those who are far more familiar with the genre than I could ever be.

I will promise something - which I would imagine is a question or fear you might have - I will not, nor do I ever, go into this with the intention of ripping the genre a new one, of laughing at or dismissing it, or proving I was right when I said it was this or that or the other. I do these things as honestly and in as bipartisan a way as I can. I always give everyone a chance, and I am more than ready to admit when I have got it wrong, and to change my view of a subject. So while I doubt this article will make me a fan of K-pop, I would hope to gain a better understanding of it, and you can help with that.

You should also know this is not something that I will be rushing out. I have approximately forty journals I am working on at the moment, as well as writing short stories and a novella. Research alone for this will take time, then there's choosing the artists/albums, listening to them, reviewing them... I don't envisage this being ready till probably mid 2023 or even early 2024. I intend and expect it to be a big project.

So, if you're willing to help, great, let me know. If not, perhaps take this at the very least as an olive branch that I am going to try to understand your favourite genre, and see why it's so popular. I don't like to diss anyone's music, and I don't like anyone to think I do, so let's mend this broken fence together. In the immortal words of Richard Milhouse Nixon

Trollheart · 09-29-2022, 09:33 AM

Additional: have now downloaded these books. Any other suggestions welcome.

K-Pop Now! The Korean Music Revolution by James Mark Russell

K-Pop: Popular Music, Cultural Amnesia and Economic Innovation in South Korea by John Lie

K-Pop: The International Rise of the Korean Music Industry by JungBong Choi and Roald Maliangkay

K-Pop Live: Fans, Idols and Multimedia Performance by Suk-Young Kim

Globalizing Popular Music in Korea: Sounding Out K-Pop by Michael Fuhr

Mindy · 09-29-2022, 09:53 AM

Jay Park seems like the POPular one

rubber soul · 09-29-2022, 10:18 AM

I think K-Addict has started a revolution

Trollheart · 09-29-2022, 10:57 AM

Not really. I feel a bit bad for being so flippant, and I always intended to do another "Stranger in a Strange Land" anyway. Idea only came to me this morning, and despite that angel on my right shouting NO NO DON'T DO IT! YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO DO! this happened

ChefBrunch · 09-29-2022, 02:36 PM

There is apparently boy bands all over Asia and they have many diverse genre. I too am at the conclusion that the female bands are just better. But that's me.

But I have interesting info for you.

There is a unique culture of boy bands from the Philippines that is pretty cool,popular there and the bands are pretty good.worth diving into the history of it. Karaoke and disco are big things in Filipino culture.

https://youtu.be/7OHCqW7Px8k

Trollheart · 09-29-2022, 03:00 PM

Ok cool. That's information I did not have. I'll probably do a separate section on the Philippines then. Thanks.

ChefBrunch · 09-30-2022, 01:10 PM

hula hoop, a japanese release by loona

K Addict · 10-13-2022, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trollheart

Message for K-Addict and ChefBrunch (and anyone else interested): if you look back a few pages you'll see I wrote a major article some years ago on the subject of boybands, as part of a series called "Stranger in a Strange Land", the idea being for me to investigate music I was not familiar with. I'm now considering if I should do this with K-pop.

I'm not much use on boybands, although I occasionally post their MVs here.

09-29-2022, 08:11 AM	#1161 (permalink)
Plankton Just Keep Swimming... Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: See signature... Posts: 7,765	...able to hide behind tall couches. Look! Up in the sky! It's a mosquito! It's a gnat! It's... Ori! __________________ See location...

09-29-2022, 09:16 AM	#1162 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	Message for K-Addict and ChefBrunch (and anyone else interested): if you look back a few pages you'll see I wrote a major article some years ago on the subject of boybands, as part of a series called "Stranger in a Strange Land", the idea being for me to investigate music I was not familiar with. I'm now considering if I should do this with K-pop. The idea is, as it was then, to break the genre up into its various periods (for boybands I had three: original ones such as New Edition, New Kids on the Block etc, boybands at their height (Backstreet Boys, Nsync etc) and "new" bands such as The Wanted and Westlife) and take up to four albums from each, to see what differences, if any, there were, both between the bands and between the periods. The article was written, as you'll see if you look back, as a sort of travelogue, with lots of my usual writing drivel between reviews, and at the end I gave my conclusions. Now I never was any sort of expert on boybands, but I had a vague idea through their music more or less seeping into me by osmosis through things like the radio and shows like American Idol and The X Factor, but other than the handful of albums I skimmed for my thread mentioned elsewhere, I know little to nothing of K-pop. This is where I need your help, guys. Is, as I assume it is, the genre restricted entirely to South Korea, or is it practiced outside of that country's borders? Are there periods/styles/variations I should examine? Which bands are good (iyo) and which are bad? I prefer to feature both, so as to get a balanced review. What do I need to know that I don't know about K-pop, apart from everything? If you're willing to help, offer advice, recommendations, sources, great. If you want to collaborate that's fine too. If you want to tell me where to stick it, well, I've struggled on before without any help from anyone so I won't be insulted and I won't be discouraged. But I would prefer to approach this with the knowledge of those who are far more familiar with the genre than I could ever be. I will promise something - which I would imagine is a question or fear you might have - I will not, nor do I ever, go into this with the intention of ripping the genre a new one, of laughing at or dismissing it, or proving I was right when I said it was this or that or the other. I do these things as honestly and in as bipartisan a way as I can. I always give everyone a chance, and I am more than ready to admit when I have got it wrong, and to change my view of a subject. So while I doubt this article will make me a fan of K-pop, I would hope to gain a better understanding of it, and you can help with that. You should also know this is not something that I will be rushing out. I have approximately forty journals I am working on at the moment, as well as writing short stories and a novella. Research alone for this will take time, then there's choosing the artists/albums, listening to them, reviewing them... I don't envisage this being ready till probably mid 2023 or even early 2024. I intend and expect it to be a big project. So, if you're willing to help, great, let me know. If not, perhaps take this at the very least as an olive branch that I am going to try to understand your favourite genre, and see why it's so popular. I don't like to diss anyone's music, and I don't like anyone to think I do, so let's mend this broken fence together. In the immortal words of Richard Milhouse Nixon __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

09-29-2022, 09:33 AM	#1163 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	Additional: have now downloaded these books. Any other suggestions welcome. K-Pop Now! The Korean Music Revolution by James Mark Russell K-Pop: Popular Music, Cultural Amnesia and Economic Innovation in South Korea by John Lie K-Pop: The International Rise of the Korean Music Industry by JungBong Choi and Roald Maliangkay K-Pop Live: Fans, Idols and Multimedia Performance by Suk-Young Kim Globalizing Popular Music in Korea: Sounding Out K-Pop by Michael Fuhr __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

09-29-2022, 09:53 AM	#1164 (permalink)
Mindy ask me about cosmology Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Milky Way Galaxy Posts: 9,045	Jay Park seems like the POPular one __________________ https://www.instagram.com/shhons_meme_agency Last edited by Mindy; 09-29-2022 at 09:59 AM.

09-29-2022, 10:57 AM	#1166 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	Not really. I feel a bit bad for being so flippant, and I always intended to do another "Stranger in a Strange Land" anyway. Idea only came to me this morning, and despite that angel on my right shouting NO NO DON'T DO IT! YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO DO! this happened __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

09-29-2022, 02:36 PM	#1167 (permalink)
ChefBrunch Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2022 Posts: 132	There is apparently boy bands all over Asia and they have many diverse genre. I too am at the conclusion that the female bands are just better. But that's me. But I have interesting info for you. There is a unique culture of boy bands from the Philippines that is pretty cool,popular there and the bands are pretty good.worth diving into the history of it. Karaoke and disco are big things in Filipino culture. https://youtu.be/7OHCqW7Px8k __________________ You can learn to like new music in the same way you learn to like new food.

09-29-2022, 03:00 PM	#1168 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	Ok cool. That's information I did not have. I'll probably do a separate section on the Philippines then. Thanks. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

09-30-2022, 01:10 PM	#1169 (permalink)
ChefBrunch Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2022 Posts: 132	hula hoop, a japanese release by loona __________________ You can learn to like new music in the same way you learn to like new food.