STOP Right now! thank you very Much! Spice Girls Thread!!

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

Oh come on Janszoon I like you but that's pretty lame.

That's like saying The Sex Pistols paved the way for Ratt because they were both rock bands.

[Necromancer]

Who did they pave the ground for? What are some of the "manufactured girl bands" after the Spice Girls. I just think that they were a pop "Fad" of the day. Nothing more!

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Oh come on Janszoon I like you but that's pretty lame.

Sorry, I just don't see the huge difference. R&B is easily the biggest influence on pop music in the past 20 years or so to the point where there is basically nothing that distinguishes R&B as a style unto itself. Boy and girl groups in particular are very much R&B influenced.

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

That's like saying The Sex Pistols paved the way for Ratt because they were both rock bands.

Actually I would say the Sex Pistols probably did somewhat pave the way for bands like Ratt, but that's a separate issue.

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

Originally Posted by Janszoon

Sorry, I just don't see the huge difference. R&B is easily the biggest influence on pop music in the past 20 years or so to the point where there is basically nothing that distinguishes R&B as a style unto itself. Boy and girl groups in particular are very much R&B influenced.

But I already stated 4 times now I wasn't including R&B.

I'm not an idiot I was around in the 90s and remember there were loads of manufactured American R&B groups. Do you really think I would have claimed the Spice Girls broke the mould if I was talking about those?

British pop & American pop are 2 totally different things. The last female pure British pop act to sell any great number of records worldwide before them was Bananarama almost 14 years earlier.Which was why even the record companies were saying to their managers 'Don't Do This'.
It was almost like girl groups were grunge & boy bands were hair metal.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

But I already stated 4 times now I wasn't including R&B.

I'm not an idiot I was around in the 90s and remember there were loads of manufactured American R&B groups. Do you really think I would have claimed the Spice Girls broke the mould if I was talking about those?

British pop & American pop are 2 totally different things. The last female pure British pop act to sell any great number of records worldwide before them was Bananarama almost 14 years earlier.Which was why even the record companies were saying to their managers 'Don't Do This'.
It was almost like girl groups were grunge & boy bands were hair metal.

Okay. I came in the middle of the conversation and didn't realize this was just about British female pop groups. If that's what we're talking about then I can't really think of any that came right before the Spice Girls either.

[djchameleon]

Originally Posted by starrynight

Whether it's r&b or not is just a matter of musical style, that r&b style will have become less popular after a while I suppose like everything does once people have heard too much of it. Pop is always changing it's style to suit the musical climate of the time.

And I think the 80s was more about pop in general than the 90s, so some pop groups may have come to prominence in the 90s who wouldn't have done so well in the more competitive 80s.

The early 90s had an influx of r&b style girl groups but the late 90s was ruled by boy bands until Spice Girls came around.


I completely disagree with that whole second paragraph of yours.
okay so if the 80s were more about pop in general than the 90s, what do you think the 90s was more about?

Originally Posted by Necromancer

Who did they pave the ground for? What are some of the "manufactured girl bands" after the Spice Girls. I just think that they were a pop "Fad" of the day. Nothing more!

You know who came after Spice Girls?

Atomic Kitten, All Saints, Girls Aloud , Suga Babes and more recently The Saturdays. Those are just the Uk ones.

Here are some facts courtesy of Wikipedia:

In 1996, the American domination of the girl group scene was overtaken by the UK's Spice Girls, who had nine number 1 singles in the UK and US, including "Wannabe", "2 Become 1" and "Spice Up Your Life". With sold-out concerts, advertisements, merchandise and a film, Spice Girls became the most commercially successful British group since The Beatles. They were one of the biggest selling pop groups of the 1990s, and the best-selling female group in modern music history. Their first album, Spice is the best-selling album of the all time by a female group, with 23 million sales worldwide. In total, the Spice Girls sold in excess of 80 million records worldwide. According to The Times, BBC News and biographer David Sinclair, they are the most successful girl group of all time.

[Necromancer]

Originally Posted by djchameleon

You know who came after Spice Girls?

Atomic Kitten, All Saints, Girls Aloud , Suga Babes and more recently The Saturdays. Those are just the Uk ones.

Well then..I stand corrected Although Ive actually never heard of any of them before, except for maybe The Saturdays, even so Ive never personally heard their music before. Not really my cup of tea. Thanks for the info!

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

Originally Posted by djchameleon

You know who came after Spice Girls?

Atomic Kitten, All Saints, Girls Aloud , Suga Babes and more recently The Saturdays. Those are just the Uk ones.

B*Witched, Girls@play, Vanilla, Precious, Hepburn, Madasun, Alisha's Attic, Daphne & Celeste..................

[djchameleon]

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

B*Witched, Girls@play, Vanilla, Precious, Hepburn, Madasun, Alisha's Attic, Daphne & Celeste..................

Ha! I vaguely remember B*Witched but all of those others ones I don't know at all.

[starrynight]

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

But I already stated 4 times now I wasn't including R&B.

I'm not an idiot I was around in the 90s and remember there were loads of manufactured American R&B groups. Do you really think I would have claimed the Spice Girls broke the mould if I was talking about those?

British pop & American pop are 2 totally different things. The last female pure British pop act to sell any great number of records worldwide before them was Bananarama almost 14 years earlier.Which was why even the record companies were saying to their managers 'Don't Do This'.
It was almost like girl groups were grunge & boy bands were hair metal.

14 years? Where do you get that figure from? Bananarama where far from forgotten and still released records. As I said and will say again it was just a matter of the pendulum swinging back in favour of girl groups again, hardly revolutionary. And anyway it's been claimed The Spice Girls are important as they made it big in America, where girl groups were already doing well. And also what about other British girl groups of the 90s like Eternal? Girl groups have always been around for decades, it's just that sometimes that get a big hit record and make the news and sometimes they don't.

And then it is claimed that The Spice Girls are important as they had some copycat groups. Well acts that sell records always have other groups who follow them, doesn't mean that they or those who follow them are that significant. But it was also said here that they couldn't repeat what The Spice Girls did. So does that mean they are irrelevant then? You can't have it both ways and say it is important these groups followed them and then say they weren't actually any good.