Avril Lavigne

Lu-Cuss · 04-05-2016, 04:49 PM

Objectively the best song

Black Francis · 04-05-2016, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

What do you think of bands playing songs that only one of the musicians in the band wrote? Are the rest of the artists in the group subpar for some reason?

No and that's different in my eyes. for me the reasoning that can apply to a genre doesn't necessarily apply to another one. to me ideally a singer should write his own lyrics but in a band setting i don't mind if another member writes them cause through the ears of your average listener they all end sharing the credits.

Same with classical music. my reasoning that every musician should write his own stuff doesn't apply there either but when it comes to bands and individual artist i always prefer that the singer writes his own lyrics especially if he doesn't play an instrument cause i think being a lyricist should be part of the craft of being a singer.

you may be right, maybe the distinction is all in my head but i can't help making it.

**Frownland** · 04-05-2016, 05:21 PM

If it's great music, I don't really care who wrote it. I don't disagree that there can be a lack of genuiness in the music for some artists, but that's something that you can pick up without knowing who wrote the song. Take this for example, composed by John Zorn, performed by Marc Ribot. One of my favourite albums.

A lot of people are brilliant performers and musicians but not great songwriters and vice versa. If the two use each other to the music's advantage, I see it as a good thing because it creates more good music. It has the same kind of relationship as a director to a play, where the people work in areas that they're stronger in instead of taking it all on themselves. Also I think that a good deal of songwriters write their work around the artist that they're writing for, it's not as if they're just handing out pieces to anyone who hires them (well, for the most part). Everyone involved is interested in a good result and I think it's more than likely for them to achieve that.

Aux-In · 04-05-2016, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

you may be right, maybe the distinction is all in my head but i can't help making it.

He is right, indeed, so I don't need to regurgitate his points. There are "levels" of musicians, if you will, and I wouldn't consider Avril Lavigne to be in the serious-artists camp, such as orchestral artists. In that sense, it's not as necessary to hold her to a higher standard. I guess that ("levels"), too, can be a subjective criteria in music analysis, but it still doesn't affect if the music is good or not.

Woodstock · 07-27-2016, 09:14 PM

Some great music out there where the singer did not write the song. Like all the great lyrics written by Leiber and Stoller that became hits. And of course what everyone familiar with considers a classic, Judy Garland's 1961 Carnegie Hall concert. She did not write them, people like Harold Arlen did. Could go on and on.
Now singer/ songwriters are great whether they be Lennon/McCartney, Bob Dylan,Paul Simon,Kris Ristofferson, whoever and whatever kind of music. But not writing what one performs does not make the artist inferiot

Woodstock · 07-27-2016, 09:20 PM

Since this is an Avril Lavigne thread, lets all her fans(and anyone else) wish her continued return to full health after her battle with Lyme Disease.
I like Avril, she is feisty. Reminds me of the character Molly Bolt from that delicious, hilarioud novel of Rita Mae Brown's, Rubyfruit Jungle. And yes, I do like her music though must admit to being much older than probably most of her fans!

Blank. · 08-03-2016, 08:17 PM

As far as avril Lavigne goes, this was always a fun song.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 08-03-2016, 08:33 PM

I don't care for her music but she is

as ****.

bflattery · 08-18-2016, 08:44 PM

I'm a big fan. Hope all goes well with her health and her career.

Delusions of Paranoia · 09-22-2016, 06:44 PM

Wow throwback. Yes Avril was amazing, up until that Hello Kitty song.
Honestly, it's not even like she was talented at all but her songs were catchy and some of them were relatable.

04-05-2016, 05:21 PM	#73 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	If it's great music, I don't really care who wrote it. I don't disagree that there can be a lack of genuiness in the music for some artists, but that's something that you can pick up without knowing who wrote the song. Take this for example, composed by John Zorn, performed by Marc Ribot. One of my favourite albums. A lot of people are brilliant performers and musicians but not great songwriters and vice versa. If the two use each other to the music's advantage, I see it as a good thing because it creates more good music. It has the same kind of relationship as a director to a play, where the people work in areas that they're stronger in instead of taking it all on themselves. Also I think that a good deal of songwriters write their work around the artist that they're writing for, it's not as if they're just handing out pieces to anyone who hires them (well, for the most part). Everyone involved is interested in a good result and I think it's more than likely for them to achieve that. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-05-2016, 04:49 PM	#71 (permalink)
Lu-Cuss Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: The Wired Posts: 55	Objectively the best song

07-27-2016, 09:14 PM	#75 (permalink)
Woodstock Groupie Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 13	Some great music out there where the singer did not write the song. Like all the great lyrics written by Leiber and Stoller that became hits. And of course what everyone familiar with considers a classic, Judy Garland's 1961 Carnegie Hall concert. She did not write them, people like Harold Arlen did. Could go on and on. Now singer/ songwriters are great whether they be Lennon/McCartney, Bob Dylan,Paul Simon,Kris Ristofferson, whoever and whatever kind of music. But not writing what one performs does not make the artist inferiot

07-27-2016, 09:20 PM	#76 (permalink)
Woodstock Groupie Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 13	Since this is an Avril Lavigne thread, lets all her fans(and anyone else) wish her continued return to full health after her battle with Lyme Disease. I like Avril, she is feisty. Reminds me of the character Molly Bolt from that delicious, hilarioud novel of Rita Mae Brown's, Rubyfruit Jungle. And yes, I do like her music though must admit to being much older than probably most of her fans!

08-03-2016, 08:17 PM	#77 (permalink)
Blank. Jacob Sartorius Join Date: May 2016 Location: Dank memes Posts: 4,033	As far as avril Lavigne goes, this was always a fun song.

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~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	I don't care for her music but she is as ****.

08-18-2016, 08:44 PM	#79 (permalink)
bflattery Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 71	I'm a big fan. Hope all goes well with her health and her career.

09-22-2016, 06:44 PM	#80 (permalink)
Delusions of Paranoia Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: a place where the sun is silent. Posts: 36	Wow throwback. Yes Avril was amazing, up until that Hello Kitty song. Honestly, it's not even like she was talented at all but her songs were catchy and some of them were relatable.