The Beatles vs The Beach Boys

blastingas10 · 01-06-2012, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

i get the feeling that both of you haven't heard anything beyond Pet Sounds

pick up Today, Summer Days (And Summer Nights), Wild Honey, Friends, 20/20, Sunflower and Holland straightaway

and even Smiley Smile or Carl and the Passions - So Tough if you really want to go deep

Which one of those would you really recommend?

Howard the Duck · 01-07-2012, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

Which one of those would you really recommend?

depends on what you're looking for - their albums are pretty diverse - folk/country-ish, soul, blues-rock, rock n roll, pop

blastingas10 · 01-07-2012, 02:42 AM

I'll take the folk and bluesy albums.

starrynight · 01-07-2012, 02:47 AM

I was about to say that most people only seem to judge them on Pet Sounds. This is the case with quite a few groups or singers, people only hear the most hyped thing and judge on that alone. It's better to get out of the bandwagon and get exploring. Today and Smiley Smile either side also represented their mid-60s rivalry to The Beatles. And there are some good songs on other albums too.

Howard the Duck · 01-07-2012, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

I'll take the folk and bluesy albums.

in which case, you'd do well with Sunflower, Holland or Carl & The Passions - So Tough

**Goofle** · 01-07-2012, 07:54 AM

Wild Honey is my favourite Beach Boys album to be honest.

Surell · 01-07-2012, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

Brian Wilson was the best Beach Boy. It even sounds lame. "Beach Boy", haha.

They didn't choose that name, the label did.

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But John, Paul and George were all better songwriters who had a more consistent output.

Please; the Beatles' best songs aren't nearly as well written as the non hits on Pet Sounds. John and Paul were average and overrated, George and Paul i can't comment on, but George seems like the Brian Wilson of the Beatles- kept in the dark songwriting wise. I wanna hear some more of him.

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John and Paul are widely considered some of the best songwriters of the past century

So? What mainstream media dictates as "best" isn't always so; Rolling Stone, for example, put Imagine ahead of Marvin Gaye's What's Going On (the songs), when What's Going On is the much better song, in lyrics and composition.

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You can't say the same for all the Beach Boys, not even Wilson; he just wasn't as consistent as the Beatles.

Wilson didn't get the opportunity to continue songwriting; truth is, he only got Pet Sounds to give the Beatles competition, and then he broke down in the middle of SMiLE due to pressure. Had SMiLE come out back then and he gotten some glory for it, there's no telling how the Beach Boys would have turned out. But he faded back into the songwriting background after Sgt. Peppers was released, giving the Beatles the edge.

starrynight · 01-07-2012, 04:31 PM

Musically McCartney is more the Brian Wilson of The Beatles with his knack for writing melody.

Neapolitan · 01-08-2012, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by starrynight

Musically McCartney is more the Brian Wilson of The Beatles with his knack for writing melody.

I thought that Brian Wilson was the Paul McCartney of the Beach Boys.

blastingas10 · 01-08-2012, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Surell

They didn't choose that name, the label did.

Please; the Beatles' best songs aren't nearly as well written as the non hits on Pet Sounds. John and Paul were average and overrated, George and Paul i can't comment on, but George seems like the Brian Wilson of the Beatles- kept in the dark songwriting wise. I wanna hear some more of him.

So? What mainstream media dictates as "best" isn't always so; Rolling Stone, for example, put Imagine ahead of Marvin Gaye's What's Going On (the songs), when What's Going On is the much better song, in lyrics and composition.

Wilson didn't get the opportunity to continue songwriting; truth is, he only got Pet Sounds to give the Beatles competition, and then he broke down in the middle of SMiLE due to pressure. Had SMiLE come out back then and he gotten some glory for it, there's no telling how the Beach Boys would have turned out. But he faded back into the songwriting background after Sgt. Peppers was released, giving the Beatles the edge.

I disagree. I might not think that any of the Beatles were the greatest songwriters, but they were really good. The Beatles started as unknowns, they got where they were because they were good. I'll give credit where credit is due, so i'll give the Beach Boys some credit but I'll never think they are better than the Beatles.

To each his own.

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blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	I'll take the folk and bluesy albums.