King of Pop (music video, pop, rock, ballad, single)

SATCHMO · 03-22-2005, 06:08 PM

The Jackson 5 were great. Michael Jackson's Off The Wall album is f**king brilliant. Thriller is very good. Everything else is one man's descent into pedophilia and plastic surgery disasters. (Sorry Jello)

Jaz · 03-22-2005, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO

The Jackson 5 were great. Michael Jackson's Off The Wall album is f**king brilliant. Thriller is very good. Everything else is one man's descent into pedophilia and plastic surgery disasters. (Sorry Jello)

Oh dear how wrong you are :P I agree with the beginning part of your comments but i believe the rest are what have gone into TRUE descent. Personally 'BAD' is my favourite album, with fantastic choons such as 'Dirty Diana', 'Speed Demon', 'Another Part Of Me' and 'Smooth Criminal' (which is woefully overlooked due to Alien Ant Farms rendition!). Then there is 'Dangerous' (both albums selling HUGE amounts - I think there was a point were BAD was the 2nd biggest sellin album of all time). It is very difficult to extract the crazy persona Jackson has become from his genius music. I believe he was doing quite well even with his HIStory era but after that even I have to agree things went a bit t!ts up for him.

SATCHMO · 03-22-2005, 06:50 PM

Its hard to tell by your post exactly where you disagree with me. I could probably care less about what point in Jackson's career/life he began to lose his marbles/pigmentation, but I think a comparison of Bad and Off the Wall is bleak at best. Off the wall was released in 1979 (pre-MTV) and is a viable musical masterpiece through and through, not just a collection of catchy overplayed pop ditties, which is precisely what the Bad album is....BAD !!!! Notwithstanding The Jackson 5, Off the Wall and Thriller are the foundation of which Michael Jackson's reputation as a solo artist stand on, they're also the reason why at any point in his career he has ever remotely deserved the tile "King of Pop" I dug Smooth Criminal, I'll give you that much, and I thought AAF's cover of it was good because it was creative and musically tight, but still a novelty.

Jaz · 03-22-2005, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO

Its hard to tell by your post exactly where you disagree with me. I could probably care less about what point in Jackson's career/life he began to lose his marbles/pigmentation, but I think a comparison of Bad and Off the Wall is bleak at best. Off the wall was released in 1979 (pre-MTV) and is a viable musical masterpiece through and through, not just a collection of catchy overplayed pop ditties, which is precisely what the Bad album is....BAD !!!! Notwithstanding The Jackson 5, Off the Wall and Thriller are the foundation of which Michael Jackson's reputation as a solo artist stand on, they're also the reason why at any point in his career he has ever remotely deserved the tile "King of Pop" I dug Smooth Criminal, I'll give you that much, and I thought AAF's cover of it was good because it was creative and musically tight, but still a novelty.

Well let me clarify. To wave a hand at everything Jackson has done after 'Thriller' is a tad naive and unfair. That's all I was trying to get across. People often criticize everything that came after Thriller but I can't relate. I feel he's had quite a consistant career of releasing 'good pop music' throughout the 90's aswell as the 80's and 70's... you can slag BAD off with your lame puns

but have you ever seen the BAD tour live? No? Well let me tell you, it's unreal. The best damn tour he ever did. Yes some of the songs are slightly over zelous and cliched but nevertheless they stand their ground as great pop choons of the 80's.

SATCHMO · 03-22-2005, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaz

Well let me clarify. To wave a hand at everything Jackson has done after 'Thriller' is a tad naive and unfair. That's all I was trying to get across. People often criticize everything that came after Thriller but I can't relate. I feel he's had quite a consistant career of releasing 'good pop music' throughout the 90's aswell as the 80's and 70's... you can slag BAD off with your lame puns

but have you ever seen the BAD tour live? No? Well let me tell you, it's unreal. The best damn tour he ever did. Yes some of the songs are slightly over zelous and cliched but nevertheless they stand their ground as great pop choons of the 80's.

Well, I can't disagree with anything you just said, even though I'm not a big fan of post Thriller MJ, yer' right.

dtpcz · 03-31-2005, 05:30 AM

I think you need to remember that these are just your opinions and the fact remains that Bad and Dangerous both sold huge amounts (Bad selling more than Dangerous) and just because you might not like them doesn't mean they are no good. Dangerous happens to be my favourite album, although I listened to HIStory yesterday and there are some TUNES on that too. You have to remember that Michael's music moved with the times and so his sound was bound to grow and change over the years to keep up with peoples changing tastes. Although Invincible isn't, in my opinion, better than his older albums, there are still some fab songs on there.

Jaz · 03-31-2005, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dtpcz

I think you need to remember that these are just your opinions and the fact remains that Bad and Dangerous both sold huge amounts (Bad selling more than Dangerous) and just because you might not like them doesn't mean they are no good. Dangerous happens to be my favourite album, although I listened to HIStory yesterday and there are some TUNES on that too. You have to remember that Michael's music moved with the times and so his sound was bound to grow and change over the years to keep up with peoples changing tastes. Although Invincible isn't, in my opinion, better than his older albums, there are still some fab songs on there.

Hurrah to that!

I thought Invincible was utterly DREADFUL when it was released, but it has grown on me a great deal since then. Dangerous is a quality and over looked album I find. 'Give In To Me' the duet with Slash being my favourite MJ song to date.

dtpcz · 03-31-2005, 05:43 AM

My favourite songs are Smooth criminal, Man in the Mirror and You Are Not Alone. But as a whole, I love the Dangerous album. 'Who Is It' is another tune, and who can forget 'Black or White'?!

Invincible is definitely a grower - Butterflies and Break of Dawn are both stunning songs, and I love 'Don't Walk Away', 'Whatever Happens' and of course 'You Rock My World'...actually there are a LOT of good songs on the album!!

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-31-2005, 03:31 PM

I think you`ll find that most people who think Off The Wall is his best album (me included) think that because that album was the success it was purely down to the music. Not expensive videos , not whoring yourself out to pepsi , not with some crappy film , no stupid headline grabbing publicity stunts ... just great music , which in my opinion he never topped.

Jaz · 04-01-2005, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

I think you`ll find that most people who think Off The Wall is his best album (me included) think that because that album was the success it was purely down to the music. Not expensive videos , not whoring yourself out to pepsi , not with some crappy film , no stupid headline grabbing publicity stunts ... just great music , which in my opinion he never topped.

There's nothing wrong in whoring it out to 'pepsi' or anyone else for that matter

I realise a number of people around here are 'anti-mainstream' naturally, but just because something or someone becomes hugely successfull it shouldn't detract from the high standard it derives from in this case Jacksons singles after Off The Wall. I try and look past the hype, afterall a choon is a choon even if Britney Spears is shaking her tic tacs to it!

03-31-2005, 03:31 PM	#19 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I think you`ll find that most people who think Off The Wall is his best album (me included) think that because that album was the success it was purely down to the music. Not expensive videos , not whoring yourself out to pepsi , not with some crappy film , no stupid headline grabbing publicity stunts ... just great music , which in my opinion he never topped. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

03-22-2005, 06:08 PM	#11 (permalink)
SATCHMO Al Dente Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,708	The Jackson 5 were great. Michael Jackson's Off The Wall album is f**king brilliant. Thriller is very good. Everything else is one man's descent into pedophilia and plastic surgery disasters. (Sorry Jello)

03-22-2005, 06:50 PM	#13 (permalink)
SATCHMO Al Dente Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,708	Its hard to tell by your post exactly where you disagree with me. I could probably care less about what point in Jackson's career/life he began to lose his marbles/pigmentation, but I think a comparison of Bad and Off the Wall is bleak at best. Off the wall was released in 1979 (pre-MTV) and is a viable musical masterpiece through and through, not just a collection of catchy overplayed pop ditties, which is precisely what the Bad album is....BAD !!!! Notwithstanding The Jackson 5, Off the Wall and Thriller are the foundation of which Michael Jackson's reputation as a solo artist stand on, they're also the reason why at any point in his career he has ever remotely deserved the tile "King of Pop" I dug Smooth Criminal, I'll give you that much, and I thought AAF's cover of it was good because it was creative and musically tight, but still a novelty.

03-31-2005, 05:30 AM	#16 (permalink)
dtpcz Groupie Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: London Posts: 7	I think you need to remember that these are just your opinions and the fact remains that Bad and Dangerous both sold huge amounts (Bad selling more than Dangerous) and just because you might not like them doesn't mean they are no good. Dangerous happens to be my favourite album, although I listened to HIStory yesterday and there are some TUNES on that too. You have to remember that Michael's music moved with the times and so his sound was bound to grow and change over the years to keep up with peoples changing tastes. Although Invincible isn't, in my opinion, better than his older albums, there are still some fab songs on there.

03-31-2005, 05:43 AM	#18 (permalink)
dtpcz Groupie Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: London Posts: 7	My favourite songs are Smooth criminal, Man in the Mirror and You Are Not Alone. But as a whole, I love the Dangerous album. 'Who Is It' is another tune, and who can forget 'Black or White'?! Invincible is definitely a grower - Butterflies and Break of Dawn are both stunning songs, and I love 'Don't Walk Away', 'Whatever Happens' and of course 'You Rock My World'...actually there are a LOT of good songs on the album!!