LoathsomePete

No we need to continually remind ourselves that these individuals are the bane of the music worlds existence. Without continually doing that we might forget and begin to think these people are talented.

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Consolator

I think you need to chill. I like her music -- it's catchy and has grown on me. I'm completely well-aware this woman has little (if any) talent, I have watched videos of her live. Just curious, have you heard her album? I gave Animal a listen, there's a few filler tracks, but I liked most of it. By blindly boycotting music you're only limiting yourself. :P It's fun, shallow, manufactured, sex-crazed music. It by any means isn't all I listen to, my ipod has all sorts of different genres on it. In fact, most of the music on my ipod is ambient / post-rock stuff.

My point is, I think you're better of listening to the album before making judgment.

LoathsomePete

I have 197 gigabytes of music ranging from country to hip hop to jazz to every type of metal imaginable to indie rock and to electronic. I do not think I am missing anything terribly important from the "shallow, manufactured, sex-crazed music" that is pop radio. You know how many insanely talented bands I hear who have no voice in the mainstream market? You know how infuriating it is when a musician comes out with something beneficial for humanity yet the only thing you hear when you turn on the radio is that "shallow, manufactured, sex-crazed music"?

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You did not answer my question. Your ignorance is stifling, the phrase "to each their own comes to mind."

Edit: I think you should be blaming America (assuming that's where you live), not the shallow, manufactured, sex-crazed "musicians." This is a pop culture issue more than anything else, imo. Also, "beneficial to humanity" ? This is music we're talking about, not a cure for cancer. There's simply too much music out there to possibly get out to everybody. I get what you're saying, but unless the current music industry undergoes some changes (which I hope it does, this system is prehistoric) then it will remain how it is. Also, nobody is putting a gun to your head saying "Listen to this or die!" There are plenty of other radio stations to listen to, especially online and with services like Sirius. I can understand if you're forced to listen to pop radio because of friends / co-workers, but still. Things could be worse. :p

LoathsomePete

Ignorant to still harbor resentment to genre of music which has failed to convince me otherwise that it isn't just "shallow, manufactured, sex-crazed" in 22 years? 18 of those years in which I was musically aware? I'm sorry but if radio pop couldn't sway me 18 years ago what chance do you think it has now? I'll admit I can't name one Ke$ha single and am incredibly proud of that fact. I am proud of the fact that I have evolved beyond the radio telling me what's good, proud that despite not listening to the radio in years I can still find new music. I'll admit I'm biased but you know what, I don't care. That's why I stay out of this forum for the most part. However when I see that someone else shares my resentment to someone I largely remain quiet about, yeah I'll pitch in my two cents. You don't like that, don't read my posts.

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Could your ego be any larger? I'm hoping that not everyone on this forum shares your snobby music elitist mindset. If it makes you feel good, listen to it. If you like it, listen to it. I will give you that it does get on my nerves when people claim Britney (or any other popstar) is the most talented thing to come into existence since, well, forever. But you know, they really enjoy her music, and just because I'm not that fond of her doesn't mean I'm going to put them down.

Spike*Spiegel

I do, but I wouldn't call it elitist. We're simply expressing our distaste for what we believe to be trashy music. Don't forget, you are on a message board where others will post opinions different from your own.

Urban Hat€monger ?

Why?

Does it suddenly rival Pet Sounds once you get past the singles?

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You're referring to the Beach Boys album, correct? I haven't listened to the album, so I'm not sure what you're getting at. Could you explain?

My point was that I'm sure you all have artists who may have released a single, and you ask yourself, "Why the hell did they release that particular song? Why didn't they release this song, or that song?" To me, that's the case with Ke$ha. I'm not fond of Tik-Tok or Take It Off, and wish she would have released, say, Hungover, or maybe the title track of her album, Animal. If I had completely written her off and ignored her at the initial release of Tik-Tok, I would have missed out on some of her other songs that I like. I guess I expected more of fellow music lovers, some of the previous comments remind me of pretentious people from my high school who are anti-anything remotely mainstream, even if they hadn't heard it. Why would you want to be like that? Why not listen to the stuff you like that's mainstream AND whatever indie/underground/obscure stuff you like. If it doesn't appeal to you, just say, "It doesn't really appeal to me." Simple as that. Also, is the generalizing against adolescents really necessary? You're being no better than morons who blindly worship the radio and shun anything obscure. Your stance is the complete opposite of theirs. If you think that you're somehow better than someone for boycotting the radio, I think you have some underlying confidence issues. Also, have you ever seen people that stop liking a band just because they went from being unknown to being popular? That's the vibe I'm getting from your posts, and I hope that I'm wrong.

Urban Hat€monger ?

Pet Sounds, regardless of my own opinion of it is considered in general to be pop masterpiece.
You said that people should hear an album by an artist before they decide their opinion of that artist. So if someone were to think that the songs that have already been released as singles (which are basically used as advertisements for an album) are total trash why on earth would you want to listen to the rest of it.
Hence my comment to you that it would need to be something pretty special (e.g. something as highly regarded as the album I mentioned) to make me want to listen to the rest of it.
If not, then why bother?

Like I said, why should anyone bother?
There are millions of bands & artists out they all bidding for my attention.
Why should she get any special attention just because she has a record contract?
If she's not releasing her best songs then someone at the record company needs firing. It's their job to sell the artist to me, not the other way around.
You pretty much said yourself it's throwaway pop, there's tons of that kind of stuff around on TV & Radio & in the media. What's wrong with wanting to listen to something of more substance in the privacy of your own record collection?
I don't have the resources or the time to listen to every single album around. So why shouldn't I disregard something I've only heard bad things about and which I know isn't likely to appeal to me?
I would say everybody on this forum I've encountered does do that. You've been here all of 5 minutes. I'd be interested to know how you've suddenly become an expert on everybody's taste in music here in that short space of time. I've been here around 5 years and I wouldn't pretend to know all of that.

They were

Personally I'd take more notice of someone who went out & discovered music for themselves through checking out albums & going to live shows much more than I would than someone who stays at home and chooses to be force fed whatever some radio station wants to play to attract the most advertising revenue. If that to say everything on the radio is trash? No it isn't, but at the end of day a radio stations job is to make money, not expand my musical palette. and that's why a lot of people are turned off by radio. Nothing to do with confidence issues at all. If anything you're the one who seems threatened by them.

Bands run out of ideas, bands are forced to compromise to maximise sales. People get tired of hearing the same songs over & over again.
There's lots of reasons why bands lose fans when they become more popular, It happens. I don't see why you're so worried about why other people like or dislike artists.

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