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Consolator 08-28-2010 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete (Post 923974)
No we need to continually remind ourselves that these individuals are the bane of the music worlds existence. Without continually doing that we might forget and begin to think these people are talented.

I think you need to chill. I like her music -- it's catchy and has grown on me. I'm completely well-aware this woman has little (if any) talent, I have watched videos of her live. Just curious, have you heard her album? I gave Animal a listen, there's a few filler tracks, but I liked most of it. By blindly boycotting music you're only limiting yourself. :P It's fun, shallow, manufactured, sex-crazed music. It by any means isn't all I listen to, my ipod has all sorts of different genres on it. In fact, most of the music on my ipod is ambient / post-rock stuff.

My point is, I think you're better of listening to the album before making judgment.

LoathsomePete 08-28-2010 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Consolator (Post 923976)
I think you need to chill. I like her music -- it's catchy and has grown on me. I'm completely well-aware this woman has little (if any) talent, I have watched videos of her live. Just curious, have you heard her album? I gave Animal a listen, there's a few filler tracks, but I liked most of it. By blindly boycotting music you're only limiting yourself. :P It's fun, shallow, manufactured, sex-crazed music. It by any means isn't all I listen to, my ipod has all sorts of different genres on it. In fact, most of the music on my ipod is ambient / post-rock stuff.

My point is, I think you're better of listening to the album before making judgment.

I have 197 gigabytes of music ranging from country to hip hop to jazz to every type of metal imaginable to indie rock and to electronic. I do not think I am missing anything terribly important from the "shallow, manufactured, sex-crazed music" that is pop radio. You know how many insanely talented bands I hear who have no voice in the mainstream market? You know how infuriating it is when a musician comes out with something beneficial for humanity yet the only thing you hear when you turn on the radio is that "shallow, manufactured, sex-crazed music"?

Consolator 08-28-2010 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete (Post 923978)
I have 197 gigabytes of music ranging from country to hip hop to jazz to every type of metal imaginable to indie rock and to electronic. I do not think I am missing anything terribly important from the "shallow, manufactured, sex-crazed music" that is pop radio.

You did not answer my question. Your ignorance is stifling, the phrase "to each their own comes to mind."

Edit: I think you should be blaming America (assuming that's where you live), not the shallow, manufactured, sex-crazed "musicians." This is a pop culture issue more than anything else, imo. Also, "beneficial to humanity" ? This is music we're talking about, not a cure for cancer. There's simply too much music out there to possibly get out to everybody. I get what you're saying, but unless the current music industry undergoes some changes (which I hope it does, this system is prehistoric) then it will remain how it is. Also, nobody is putting a gun to your head saying "Listen to this or die!" There are plenty of other radio stations to listen to, especially online and with services like Sirius. I can understand if you're forced to listen to pop radio because of friends / co-workers, but still. Things could be worse. :p

LoathsomePete 08-28-2010 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Consolator (Post 923982)
You did not answer my question. Your ignorance is stifling, the phrase "to each their own comes to mind."

Ignorant to still harbor resentment to genre of music which has failed to convince me otherwise that it isn't just "shallow, manufactured, sex-crazed" in 22 years? 18 of those years in which I was musically aware? I'm sorry but if radio pop couldn't sway me 18 years ago what chance do you think it has now? I'll admit I can't name one Ke$ha single and am incredibly proud of that fact. I am proud of the fact that I have evolved beyond the radio telling me what's good, proud that despite not listening to the radio in years I can still find new music. I'll admit I'm biased but you know what, I don't care. That's why I stay out of this forum for the most part. However when I see that someone else shares my resentment to someone I largely remain quiet about, yeah I'll pitch in my two cents. You don't like that, don't read my posts.

Consolator 08-28-2010 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete (Post 923984)
Ignorant to still harbor resentment to genre of music which has failed to convince me otherwise that it isn't just "shallow, manufactured, sex-crazed" in 22 years? 18 of those years in which I was musically aware? I'm sorry but if radio pop couldn't sway me 18 years ago what chance do you think it has now? I'll admit I can't name one Ke$ha single and am incredibly proud of that fact. I am proud of the fact that I have evolved beyond the radio telling me what's good, proud that despite not listening to the radio in years I can still find new music. I'll admit I'm biased but you know what, I don't care. That's why I stay out of this forum for the most part. However when I see that someone else shares my resentment to someone I largely remain quiet about, yeah I'll pitch in my two cents. You don't like that, don't read my posts.

Could your ego be any larger? I'm hoping that not everyone on this forum shares your snobby music elitist mindset. If it makes you feel good, listen to it. If you like it, listen to it. I will give you that it does get on my nerves when people claim Britney (or any other popstar) is the most talented thing to come into existence since, well, forever. But you know, they really enjoy her music, and just because I'm not that fond of her doesn't mean I'm going to put them down.

Spike*Spiegel 08-28-2010 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Consolator (Post 923988)
Could your ego be any larger? I'm hoping that not everyone on this forum shares your snobby music elitist mindset.

I do, but I wouldn't call it elitist. We're simply expressing our distaste for what we believe to be trashy music. Don't forget, you are on a message board where others will post opinions different from your own.

Consolator 08-28-2010 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike*Spiegel (Post 923996)
I do, but I wouldn't call it elitist. We're simply expressing our distaste for what we believe to be trashy music. Don't forget, you are on a message board where others will post opinions different from your own.

I think there's a pretty fine line between not liking someone's music and being a jerk about it. To me, at least, he was bordering onto the latter. I called him elitist because of the whole "I've evolved above the radio" banter. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everyone has to like Ke$ha (or any artist for that matter.) It's the whole paragraphs of slamming when they haven't even taken the time to listen to the album as a whole before commenting. You could argue that her album material is probably the same as the radio singles (which isn't completely far off, genre-wise the album is completely the same through and through) but there is more to artists than the radio presents. In the case for Ke$ha, the songs on the radio (apart from Your Love Is My Drug) annoy me because she paints herself to be an emotionless, alcoholic/drug-addicted party girl. On her album, there are ballads (albeit very electronic ones) where we finally see she isn't some sort of machine.

To be completely clear, I don't think pop radio is by any means a very good way to find thought-provoking, inspiring music. I see some merit in it -- sometimes I want fast, upbeat, catchy dance pop music. The radio happens to play lots of that. There's so much more to music though than the radio, I agree. For someone to purely listen to pop radio, I'd deep down think they're stupid. I'd probably try to show them other stuff. If they don't like it, oh well. It's their thing.

LoathsomePete 08-28-2010 03:23 PM

If I wanted to be a jerk about it I'd be in here day in and day out expressing my disdain towards pop music, as it stands this is probably my 6th post in this forum over all, a post to accompany someone else who shared my viewpoint. I'm sorry you took it so personally.

Consolator 08-28-2010 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LoathsomePete (Post 924006)
If I wanted to be a jerk about it I'd be in here day in and day out expressing my disdain towards pop music, as it stands this is probably my 6th post in this forum over all, a post to accompany someone else who shared my viewpoint. I'm sorry you took it so personally.

Frequency is irrelevant. I suppose you could say that music elitists are just doing their own thing as well, so I'll drop it. :p:

Urban Hat€monger ? 08-28-2010 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Consolator (Post 923976)

My point is, I think you're better of listening to the album before making judgment.

Why?

Does it suddenly rival Pet Sounds once you get past the singles?


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