Michael Jackson

Whatsitoosit · 07-02-2009, 08:54 AM

I consistently popped on some MJ even while I was learning all the Nirvana songs on guitar that I could. It's apples and oranges in comparison, sometimes you need a little dirty grunge and sometimes you want some clean, well constructed pop.

I gave the Invincible album another listen over the past 2 days... there are about 4 songs on there I liked (not loved) and the rest just seems very repetitive to me. Compared to his earlier works it really seems like a Lazy album, BUT, it's listenable. The song "Cry" really stood out in the wake of his death... "you can change the world, if we all cry at the same time tonight" made me think of the moment everyone realized he died and how the world pretty much came to a halt. Listening to his later albums he has a lot of self prophesy type lyrics throughout.

boo boo · 07-02-2009, 11:38 AM

I was a kid growing up in that time, I knew who Michael Jackson was looooooooong before I knew who Kurt Cobain was.

Michael Jackson had his own movies, video games and action figures for crying out loud. Not even Nirvana could compete with that kinda brand power.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 07-02-2009, 11:58 AM

I still think you lot are over analysing one sentence.

Neapolitan · 07-02-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

I always lol a little when people call him untalented.

Maybe what they mean that Michael Jackson does not have the talent that suit their taste. Since they have other critea, for what they think is important, and Michael Jackson does not have the talent they are looking, for them, he is "untalented."
but that doesn't make me lol

I will admit Michael Jackson is talented, but it's his dancing - I'm not impress with his singing or song writing. His dancing can be atrributed to three people:
1. James Brown
2. Bob Fosse
3. Paula Abdul
But that should not detract from his talent, he did have the ablity to dance, and to amalgamate those styles into his own. Yes, he was a good dancer but he was not original by any stretch of the imagination, it was all Qunicy Jones, sorry folks.

and after QJ it was a cheeseball stuff

I see MJ as a dark horse who all of a sudden lets loose a glimpes of the psychological issues he's dealing with, like he does all this great dancing, all these impossible dance moves, and then all of sudden he's rubbing himself??? or trying to save a little girl in "Smooth Criminal" or like singing about universal brotherly love and then smashing a car in "Black or White" video. He doesn't make sense to me and kinda creeps me out.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

What I'm trying to say though is that grunge didn't take over the mainstream and shove everything else aside, not a by a long shot. It took over mainstream rock, that's it. But back then, just like now, most top 40 music wasn't rock.

I think that was always true. I always find it strange when they talked about the year Punk broke, it is like everyone in the world was into it. People talk about the Sex Pistols like they were Elvis of their day for shock value, but just as popular, but they weren't and Television like they were Chuck Berry, where everybody stoled thier riffs, but not everybody did. I doubt if Punk was as popular as for people of that genereation, as people make them out to be, more likely those bands are more popular today then when they were back then. During the 70's it was all divided like it's today, there was Hard Rock, Soft Rock, Prog, Funk, Soul, and Disco. To some Punk was a flash in the pan, coarse, krass, and rude, that never amounted to anything, and didn't displaced any of those genres 70's . But for some it was a new beginning, (objectively speaking Grunge (or Punk) is new branch of music not a new musical tree, that transplants an old musical tree.- sorry for stretching a metaphor)

**Janszoon** · 07-02-2009, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I think that was always true. I always find it strange when they talked about the year Punk broke, it is like everyone in the world was into it. People talk about the Sex Pistols like they were Elvis of their day for shock value, but just as popular, but they weren't and Television like they were Chuck Berry, where everybody stoled thier riffs, but not everybody did. I doubt if Punk was as popular as for people of that genereation, as people make them out to be, more likely those bands are more popular today then when they were back then. During the 70's it was all divided like it's today, there was Hard Rock, Soft Rock, Prog, Funk, Soul, and Disco. To some Punk was a flash in the pan, coarse, krass, and rude, that never amounted to anything, and didn't displaced any of those genres 70's . But for some it was a new beginning, (objectively speaking Grunge (or Punk) is new branch of music not a new musical tree, that transplants an old musical tree.- sorry for stretching a metaphor)

I don't think you'd find too many people who would disagree with this.

Son of JayJamJah · 07-02-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Michael Jackson had his own movies, video games and action figures for crying out loud. Not even Nirvana could compete with that kinda brand power.

I beg to differ

Nothing says superstar like your own lunch box.

boo boo · 07-02-2009, 10:07 PM

His very own candy bar, biatch.

Neapolitan · 07-02-2009, 10:36 PM

boo boo · 07-02-2009, 11:37 PM

If you ask me it should have been white chocolate.

Neapolitan · 07-03-2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

His very own candy bar, biatch.

well, he is the Candy Man that Mississippi John Hurt warned us about

Don't stand close to the candy man
He'll leave a big candy stick in your hand
It's the candy man
It's the candy man

07-02-2009, 08:54 AM	#601 (permalink)
Whatsitoosit Bringer of Carrots Join Date: May 2008 Location: New York, NY Posts: 648	I consistently popped on some MJ even while I was learning all the Nirvana songs on guitar that I could. It's apples and oranges in comparison, sometimes you need a little dirty grunge and sometimes you want some clean, well constructed pop. I gave the Invincible album another listen over the past 2 days... there are about 4 songs on there I liked (not loved) and the rest just seems very repetitive to me. Compared to his earlier works it really seems like a Lazy album, BUT, it's listenable. The song "Cry" really stood out in the wake of his death... "you can change the world, if we all cry at the same time tonight" made me think of the moment everyone realized he died and how the world pretty much came to a halt. Listening to his later albums he has a lot of self prophesy type lyrics throughout. __________________ "It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face."

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Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I still think you lot are over analysing one sentence. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

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