He has a vagina!

he's got genital warts & he shrieks from the pain.

Because he's a twat

LOL some of u MJ haters are funny if you don't like the man, JUST LEAVE, why would you take the time, go to the thread and type whatever pathetic unnessary nonsence people could care less about? Love him or hate him peeps can't get enough of Mike, even the haters.

Its his style. Just like whatever kind of music you like. Just like how you prefer to wear a certain kind of clothing. Everybody has there own style. MJ's been doin this for years. This was big talk back in the day. The controversy on that is old news.

no u

It's just a signature he created for himself

its...really...weird

mjscarousel = michael jackson pretending to be a normal human being on a forum so he can find more children to rape.


jacko has infiltrated the interwebz!

25th Anniversary of Thriller
16 November 2007
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By Kevin “Chixo” Gibbs In 1982, Michael Jackson was on the cusp of enjoying the kind of success that nobody could have predicted. Already a favorite son of the music industry and to fans around the world, he was about to explode, largely because of the music he would release that year. Thriller, his stellar full-length of 1982, was, and remains the biggest selling and one of the most critically acclaimed albums of this and possibly any other generation: By most accounts, a phenomenon.

This was no rebound. Jackson was still riding the success of Off The Wall, his breakthrough album of 1979 that generated several major hits. “Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough,” “Off The Wall,” and the genre bending, “Rock With You,” a song that brought a soulful voice to disco and was part of the blueprint for modern house music, and other songs introduced a mature, ready to party, ready to love Michael Jackson. If Off The Wall was his coming out party, Thriller was certainly his world carnival.

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For Thriller, he re-enlisted Off the Wall’s producer, Quincy Jones, secured the brilliant song writer/arranger, Rod Temperton, brought in guitar wizard Eddie Van Halen, and pop royalty, Paul McCartney. He was even able to persuade horror king, Vincent Price to recite a Temperton penned couplet for the title track. The list of other contributors reads like a “Who’s Who” of musicians any artist would dream of recruiting: Two-thirds of the band Toto, keyboard wizards Greg Phillinganes, Michael Bod****er, and David Foster, percussionists, Paulino Da Costa and Leon “Ndugu” Chanceler, and vocalists Howard Hewitt, James Ingram, and little sister, Janet. The album is all over the place instrumentally – employing sensibilities found in rock, R&B, and modern pop music. Yet, despite its disparity, it manages to remain cohesive – A concept album of many singular ideas.

Jackson begins this gigantic set with the frantic, “Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin.’” Seemingly, a continuation of the musical ideas put forth in Off The Wall’s “Working Day And Night.” Nonsense lyrics like “You’re a vegetable, you’re a vegetable/Still they hate you, you’re a vegetable,” could not prevent this record from becoming a universal smash. What it lacked in lyrical achievement it made up for in “dance-ability.”

The infectious disco clapping in “Baby Be Mine,” the joyful invitation to party of “P.Y.T.,” and the complicated instrumentation of “Human Nature” could not camouflage Jackson’s superb vocal work both out front and in the layered background of these songs. Potentially sinister lyrics like: “Reaching out/To touch a stranger/Electric eyes are everywhere/See that girl/She knows I’m watching/She likes the way I stare” (Human Nature), lose all their creepiness in the lightness of Jackson’s voice. He never seems to be just going through the paces on these songs.

Remarkably, (possibly because other songs from the album had such memorable videos), many do not remember that Jackson's duet with McCartney, "The Girl Is Mine," was the first single released from Thriller. A close listen reveals very subtle vocal matching and wonderfully simple lyrics enveloped in an elaborate arrangement that moves from Steven Lukather’s funky guitar plucking to luscious strings. McCartney gives his most soulful take ever while Jackson sounds like he is smiling all the way through the song. What seemed so corny to many of us in 1982 sounds like a tour de force, today.

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Rod Temperton’s “The Lady In My Life,” today, a “Quiet Storm”/Adult-Contemporary radio format standard, seemed so sad and Las Vegas years ago. Still, it stands firmly beside other great songs that his younger fans would learn to have an appreciation for later in life much as they do jazz and bourbon.

“Just put your trust in my heart/And meet me in Paradise/You’re every wonder in this world to me/A treasure time won’t steal away…”
Despite the fact that they are great songs, three from the album, “Beat It,” the title track, and the ultra-polished, “Billie Jean” are probably better remembered for the over-the-top videos that accompanied them.

The "Billie Jean" video cast Jackson, dancing flawlessly to one of the most recognizable bass lines of all time while his feet lit up the concrete beneath his feet. "Beat It," found Jackson dancing between rival gangs a la Westside Story dancing to Michael Peters choreography while Eddie Van Halen ripped a guitar solo.

His visual, magnum opus, however, was “Thriller." Respected as one of the most influential videos ever made (it most certainly was the most expensive of its time), the John Landis directed stunner also saw make-up artist great, Rick Baker putting in overtime creating line dancing zombies while legendary actor, Vincent Price, rapped an Edgar Allen Poe inspired poem.
The mini-movie hit the airwaves and sold for more than a year after the album was released. The video was so relevant to the project’s overall success that it is almost forgivable that this great song has been relegated to being played only at Halloween.

These elaborate and unconventionally long productions deserved and got world premier treatment. From his jerking knees and hips to his toe hops, spinning, and signature moonwalk, Jackson was mesmerizing.

Jackson’s success could not come any sooner for other Black artists. Fortunately, for them, MTV, too, found him impossible to ignore. Just coming into its own, the young outlet quickly began establishing itself as an essential ingredient to any real marketing and publicity plan. It also famously neglected to play videos by Black artists. Jackson’s popularity, the quality of his output, and his jaw-dropping performances forced their hand, opening the door for other Black artists and setting a new standard for all artists.

Additionally pertinent for other artists of the time was the idea that retailers were convinced at the time that Jackson drove audiences to record shops and consequently they bought more than just his album.

Eight Grammy Awards, 45 million records, and twenty-five years later, Thriller is still a force to be reckoned with – a benchmark for any great pop record. Jackson would continue his rise to even greater fame as he co-wrote with Lionel Richie "We Are the World," a benefit recording benefiting famine stricken countries in Africa. He would follow up Thriller with a very impressive record, Bad and the “New Jack” inflected, Dangerous – Both fine albums. Following 1992, however, he began to become more famous for other things as his inheritance as the “King Of Pop” was challenged.
The forgivable, Rodney Jerkins assisted, Invincible, spawned two Top 10 singles (“Butterflies” and “You Rock My World”) sold more than two million copies, and went to number one.

The major challenge to his legacy did not come directly from other musicians. Nor was his supremacy contested by any new or singular musical movements (of which there were many) during the twenty-five year stretch. Manifestly, the confrontation came in the form of a self-imposed embargo from the life of a truly universal star to that of a pained caricature. The “Gloved One” became equal parts undeniable talent and conspicuous scandal.

Believe what you will about the many accusations about Jackson that have sprung up over the last few years. Because despite his private/public tribulations, one thing remains undisputed: Michael Jackson’s 42 minutes of the Thriller album seem so much longer because the songs are so big, the images so vivid, the talent so great, that we wish the joyous feelings and memories they generate to last. This is, certainly, what Jackson would rather his legacy be.
“…Though you fight to stay alive/Your body starts to shiver/For no mere mortal can resist/The evil of the thriller…”


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I'll give him credit for coming up with the idea of having made the first 'made for MTV' album.

Whether you think this is a good thing or not is entirely up to you.

^^^ Finally some credit...
MJ put the M in MTV back in the day. It was a good thing because it opened doors for other black artists to get played on MTV because MTV wasn't playing any blacks, MJ was the first. It took off and MJ pratically ran MTV with his hits and tight music vids.

**** son, you coulda got backstage passez an **** til u turned 13.

Just because i'm giving him credit for it doesn't mean I think it's a good thing.
Thriller started off a trend that made some of the most superficial music in history where as long as you had a good expensive video with MTV to back it up even the most talentless & blandest of bands could have a hit.

It was the worst thing that could ever happen to music , if you want to celebrate that & dazzle me with flashy sales figures go ahead.

Lol at most of the comments here. No wonder I don't post here often anymore, with such immature comments like "he rapes kids LMAO" instead of anything even remotely relevant to Jacksons music.

I also don't get the Prince comparisons, since they musically don't have anything in common and unlike Prince, Jackson actually makes good music. I could care less how many instruments Prince plays. I play 8 different instruments, does this make me more talented than Neil Young? Writing your own songs dosen't make you a better artist either, thats like saying Fred Dirst is better than Elvis.

Not when the person you're comparing him to dosen't play instruments.

Quite possibly the worst comment i have ever heard. You know Fúck all about music don't you?

Really , I could have sworn both men made pop music with R&B & Soul influences

Never said it did. All I was saying that Prince deserves credit for doing practically everything himself from the writing , to the arranging to virtually all the music. If it was awful then you'd have a point but it isn't. Without Quincy Jones Jackson could never have made Thriller , Prince could have made Purple Rain regardless of who he was with. Fair play to Jackson for finding a man who could make it work , but like I said Prince didn't need to.

Nobody was

Are u talking about now or during that time? The Thriller vid of course was a tight vid, it was expesive and became a legend in it's self. It was the first "short film" because people wasn't making videos like that. The Thriller album was really good every track was perfect. It was equal with the vid. What in the world does that have to do with music now? The fact that its acceptable to have a so called good vid and a crappy song is no trend Thriller started. Why that is?

The music and the music vids are crap now because the music industry don't care about good music anymore. MTV will play anybody. If the vids are flashy and have some chick shaking there behind or somebody throwing money in the screen its the best vid ever. Thats what they want because thats sell. It has become acceptable to make vids like that now even if its crap and the music does no justice. If ur the hypest thing at the moment and u come out with an expensive vid, the media will praise it because ur the big talk now even when ur music is crap. Most of the artists out now are just hype and they don't live up to it. Anyway when has the last time MTV played a music video? The same with the rest of the music channels. It seems like if they say ur name three times in a row ur already a legend. Its about what sells and the look. We know this already and to be honest I guess people don't care about good music anymore because they buy the crap.

So Thriller didn't start no trend for the bad it made it for the better because after thriller people started seriously choregraphing their music videos but that was around that era BUT now it just has to do with marketing and what sells, nothin to do with Thriller bro. Just give the man credit and stop down grading him. I can see if we were talking about an artist thats out now but were talkin about MJ, it really should be no question or disscussion of his accomplishments and achievements because at the in of the day he'll always be a legend no matter what you or anybody thinks.

Mmmm are u serious? Prince didn't have no genre that man made his own genre. He mixed funk, jazz, soul, r&b , everything Prince was never really categorized in one genre because his music was so diverse. I'm surprised u even said that. With MJ, MJ went through transitions. Originally he song r&b, then he did pop and he did some rock songs. MJ and Prince music are totally different. The only thing they have in common is the fact James Brown influenced both


Just because Quincy produced Thriller with MJ doesn't mean his less talented. With MJ as I told you before he wrote all the songs on Thriller if not all most of them. The man has been performing since he was 5 so by the time Thriller rolled around I think MJ could have arranged and produced Thriller all by his self as you say but he wanted to work with Quincy. It was a excellent pair. You keep mentioning Thriller when MJ has in fact written, arranged and produced other albums by his self so whats ur point?Jackson is just as talented as Prince.
Yes, somebody was like its acceptable to say a artist is better because they play instruments? what kinda bull is that? Its ridiculous because MJ doesn't play instruments like that. He does though but not alot like Prince. His a tru musician. It would be appropiate to make that comment if they BOTH played instruments but they don't thats why its not fair to say

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Pay attention I already told you this. It was the first 'film' aimed exclusively for MTV. Don't you find it a coincidence that as soon as a music television channel launches Jackson decides to make a film that will get maximum exposure on it? He saw the opportunity to make a killing in the market & went for it. I applaud him for that. Of course this has absolutely no reflection on the quality of the music in it. And when record companies saw the potential in music videos they invested millions trying to recapture the success of that , and they succeeded. You show me one album in the 80s that sold millions without having MTV exposure.

Well done , Just change 'some chick shaking there behind' to 'Some guy dancing with zombies' and you just summed up my opinion of Thriller right there.

And Thriller started this trend

You just said yourself things are worse now

You don't think that whole Thriller film was about marketing? :laughing:

Mass produced pop is mass produced pop , doesn't matter if it came out in 1983 , 1993 or 2003. Just because you hold nostalgia for the 80s doesn't make it any better. And why shouldn't there be discussion. Just because i'm not blinded by sales figures to see what makes an album good. I would have a lot more praise for Jackson had he stayed true to his R&B roots much more like he did on Off The Wall rather than the throwaway pop he came out with later. But like you say thats just my opinion , obviously people would rather have dancing zombies than soul & passion.

I know I just shake my head at it. Some of these folks cannot have a mature convo because they keeping bringing up irrelevant issues. Were here to talk about what MJ does best, HIS MUSIC. All the other stuff should be no mention thats not what were here for. Its about the music. I wish people would focus on his music and not his private life because we all have never meant the man. We don't know him. I'm sick and tired of people judging him base on garbage the media feeds to us everyday. Until you have been performing since the age of 5, had a f-ed up child hood, been backstabbed and ridicule and have a negative complex about ur appearance you can never call him JACKO or a Freak. His different because of how is life went and how he grew up. Our view is different because we didn't call though the same things he went through. Don't let ur mind be polluted by bullish, open up ur heart to the musical talent of MJ. If people would focus on the music and talent part of MJ they would respect him more because his extremly talented. Stop trying to figure out facts thats none of ur business and thats not tru anyway.

Why has the majority of your argument been over record sales then?

i only listen to his old school, aka pre-thriller. i don't know what to say about the "man." lol

So he just magically crept into this argument then?

They're both pop artists, well whoopedy do. Their sound is very different, and their approach is different. Really the only thing I could really see you comparing them over is that they're both androgynous black men.

No because MJ had vids that had maxium exposure before Thriller, Billie Jean and Beat It. MTV was already in full motion he was just the first black artist to get on MTV it just so happens the guy was talented to they fell in love with him. I will say this, MJ and the director, John Landis wanted to push boundaries as far as the art of music videos goes. Thats why MJ put so much time in it and money, of course the sells and publicity would come with it(I mean Michael Jackson was real hot during the 80's, his the man of the 80's) but that wasn't the whole point. MJ puts alot into his music and in what he does, all that exposure came because he was talented not because it was planned.


Yes, yes I agree with all of that because its tru. Thriller did start that during that era but before u were saying they did that as to compensate the crap music in place of an expensive vid which is not tru. All the vids during the 80's weren't expensive, all of them weren't all good, and all of them didn't get alot of exposure but what u was saying before that does go with out a doubt for the music out now. Thriller is not the blame now.




LOL are u foreal? People were trippin off of Thriller because that was something that had not been done. It was innovative, Nowadays you can turn on MTV and see about 7 vids trying to recycle something that has already been done if MTV is still even playing vids. I said Thriller started it during that era when people were exactly making good music and didn't rely so much on their videos and when people exactly cared about good music.


I think it did but not in how u see it. I think Thriller was about making something that had not been done which it hadn't. Yea and also like u said what sells and being marketable but Thriller got all of that because it was innovative and not been done not because it was some black guy dancing with zombies... no Thriller was a tight vid thats why people loved it.




Plse man you don't have to skool me on this I know this already but even though thats true it doesn't mean ALL popular music sucks because not all does. I love Thriller and all of MJ's music because its GOOD music. Sales or how much publicity it got has nothing to do with how I feel about his music or music vids. If that be the case I would be bumpin this crap they have out now if sales and how many awards u have had to do with the quality of the music. I'm throwing the achievements out there because u actin brand new like MJ is some artist off the street. MJ had all the sales, the awards etc because he deserved it but MJ is a great artist and he makes good music. He worked hard to get to where his at. Thriller was a entertaining video and whether you want to admit this to urself or not we both can agree that vid is wayyyyy better than the vids out now. MJ is also a video artist, he put time and effort in his videos. He always made a story line, he always had random celebs in there lol, and his a tight dancer. So obviously people appreciate a good entertainer who can entertain them with music and music videos as well.

Record sales is associated with music and I have not talked about that the entire time I said that originally and listed them to prove a point.

No you bought it up. I said I thought that Prince deserves credit because he did everything virtually single handedly. I didn't say that was why I like him best , I didn't even say that was a reason why I prefer his music , you were however the one that came in and assumed my opinion was Prince >>>>>> Jackson because he plays an instrument.

Well I didn't make the comparison in the first place , I just commented on what was being discussed at the time. I just commented that they shared a couple of influences. If you don't think there's any room for comparison between the two then why comment on it?

Do you not see the contradiction in what you are saying?

One minute you are saying that Jackson was bold & innovative for making an MTV based movie (Which i've never disagreed with) , then you are saying that music isn't as good as it used to be because people are trying to copy it.

And then you are saying that none of this is down to Thriller.

Well yes it is & that is exactly what I am saying , that Thriller started off the worst trend in music ever to happen.

And you have just backed up my opinion on that twice now.

When I meant "something" I meant that could be anything. Mostly all the old acts and what they did in general . Alot of artists definitly rip off MJ and his choregraphy alot in the music videos but they do that with other artists to. My point is in this generation of music nobody is orginal and really have foreal talent. You can make one hit record and your the hypest thing in the world, so yea they make crappy videos to attract people in place of a no quality song, yes because their is no real talent there but my thing is what does that have to do with Thriller? I think no doubt people really try to copy MJ and that superstar quality. I just think to say Thriller is the fault in all of this is a scapegoat and its silly. I do agree with u, I do but I don't think its why music videos is the popular thing over the song "now" because even though artists do try to make quailty vids in place of a song, the vid still doesn't get the maxium exposure no where near Thriller did don't care how many times the vid goes to number one. Thriller and all MJ videos were broadcast on all music channels, not just BET or MTV like these artists out now and anyway the songs sometimes get the most exposure over the video.

If you play a crappy song 50 million times in a row for some people it exactly begins to grow on them but this is done purposely. Which leads me to my next point all the songs are played out. Some songs come out before the vid and vice versa thats why I think the Thriller trend things ur saying is stupid. Once again I think every artist would like to capture the esssence of Thriller but why people put more into their crappy videos then exactly sitting down and writing quality songs is just the product of how bad the music industry have fallen due to masses etc because its not just the video thing that attracts audiences away from real talent, there is alot more such as image, hype, how you look all of that comes in play. Artists nowadays don't nearly put alot of money into their video even though it may look like it. MJ spent millions out his own pocket on his videos, most artists don't do that now. Name some artists out now that will spend 7 million on just one video? So once again I agree yea during that era it was an influence but now I think it influences artists, dance and music of course but not the make flashy vid in place of a song.

I don't really care about his personal life. If it is a good a song, I will support even though I'm not his fan

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Every once and a while I'll pop in one of Micheal Jacksons albums and listen to it. His music will always be good!! They are also great performance pieces, I would love to choreograph a dance to one of his songs ;)

I am still proud of the fact that I own not one Michael Jackson track. This coming from a guy who owns Alexander O Neals Greatest Hits!

Someone gave my sister an Alexander O Neil single for xmas one year , she'd never even heard the song.

It even had the 'reduced to 15p' price label still stuck to it :laughing:

How much? she was ripped off!

i heard MJ is trying to revive his career through a road tour with his Siblings and forger group, Jackson5. Great news for MJ's fans. =)

I used to love his older music and he was kinda cute then... now he is just a like a freckin Creeper

Jeezz Seriously....

NOT CONFIRMED

Promoter boosts R&B with R. Kelly tour

By SONIA MURRAY

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution


Published on: 11/14/2007
It isn't by coincidence that one of the most anticipated R&B tours this year is starting in Muscogee County.

It's by design of Columbus native son Leonard Rowe.

The Atlanta-based concert promoter got his start there in the business in 1975, promoting a Kool & the Gang show, losing about $10,000, he guesses.

But then came the winners: Michael Jackson's "Off the Wall" tour, as well as Janet Jackson and Prince.

The tour, which kicks off Wednesday at the Columbus Civic Center, features singer R. Kelly with local talents Keyshia Cole, Ne-Yo and J Holiday. The show comes to Atlanta's Philips Arena on Thursday.

Rowe stepped from behind the scenes to talk about a few things, including promoting the embattled Kelly, why there are so few R&B arena tours, and his meeting with the Jackson family — Michael included — to discuss doing a live show together.
Here he is on ...

The challenges of putting on a show with a headliner facing child pornography charges (Kelly was indicted on 21 counts in June 2002 but has yet to go to trial): "I really try to stay out of the artists' personal lives. I can say that Kelly is a great individual. He has been very cooperative, and is working so hard in Chicago — rehearsing 12, 15 hours a day. His show consists of five segments: It's a two-hour-long show. ... It's going to be something great.

"Do I have any hesitancies about promoting his tour? None whatsoever. I am happy to do it. Happy to be associated with everybody on this show. I have to add that [Kelly] hasn't been convicted of anything as of yet."

The possibility of a Jackson family tour: "His brothers are ready. Janet is ready. But the motor of that car that makes the car run, isn't just yet. ... In April of this year, I flew out to Las Vegas and met with them all and he told me, 'Let's look at '08.' We wanted to go this year, but [Michael] said it would take a lot of preparation.
"He didn't say 'no.' "

The dearth of R&B arena tours: "The reason there's so few R&B arena tours is there are so few, real, R&B superstars. ... During the time I came up in the industry there were so many! Diana Ross. Marvin ***e. Stevie Wonder. The Jackson 5 This industry has changed now. They don't build artists like they used to. And it's all about the bottom line. It is more profitable for the industry to take a rap artist and give him $100,000, rent the Rolls-Royce for his videos, and you might just sell 5 [million], 8 million albums. Ring tones or whatever. But to build another Janet you have to put money into a producer, money into a video — millions — and these days you're lucky if you sell 4 [million], 5 million."

The dwindling number of peers for black concert promoters: "Black promoters in this country have been shortchanged, discriminated against, forever. They simply haven't been given equal opportunities, like our counterparts. An Alex Cooley, let's say, has been allowed to promote any and all artists with no regards to an artist's race. African-Americans haven't been able to promote white artists. This is something I know the public is not aware of. I know. But if I call the top agencies and ask who's available they'll only tell me about black artists. When Alex used to call and ask what artists were available, the agencies would read down both sides of the roster, black and white.

"That's why I started the Black Promoters Association of America. Sure, we're not in the same place we were. I know it takes awhile for people to change their ways. ... So we're making artists aware, such as R. Kelly, that black promoters cannot work his agency. ... And hopefully they'll respond the way R. Kelly has.

"After all, I still love this business. It's the only business that I know. It's been great to me; given me a decent life. And I'm thankful. ... So yes, I've got to be hopeful about this business too."

The most he's paid an artist to perform a night: "$500,000. That's common these days for your high-profile artists. I'd probably have to pay Michael Jackson a million — but I'm ready. You hear me Michael, we're ready."

^ sounds like a good plot to round up all the michael jackson fans and exterminate them once and for all.

billy jean :dj: