Michael Jackson

BMMYATSCO · 09-04-2008, 10:47 PM

Forget what people say, Michael Jackson has some very good songs under his belt. He's had an amazing career. Sometimes people forget that. He's very talented. I just wish all this mess never surfaced about him and w/e he's accused of doing. I am not saying he did or didn't do the things he's been accused of, I'm just saying that no matter how bad it is, I don't think we should ignore his musical ability. I don't think we'll ever know. No one except for him. But I honestly hope he really didn't do those things.

Whatsitoosit · 09-05-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by thebeesknees

like it or not, MJ is one of the best pop acts EVER!!!! granted he is a freakazoid, you cannot deny that he is musical genius!!! no way!

You can't have a Michael Jackson thread without the "He's a musical genius" comment.

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Originally Posted by BMMYATSCO

Forget what people say, Michael Jackson has some very good songs under his belt. He's had an amazing career. Sometimes people forget that. He's very talented. I just wish all this mess never surfaced about him and w/e he's accused of doing. I am not saying he did or didn't do the things he's been accused of, I'm just saying that no matter how bad it is, I don't think we should ignore his musical ability. I don't think we'll ever know. No one except for him. But I honestly hope he really didn't do those things.

maybe if it were your kids being stroked in the bed by this genius you would feel differently? there will always be 3 versions of Michael... the talented kid, the talented pop star and the weirdo accused of molestation. It's hard for most people to look past the latter... understandable. If he was out making hit records and giving the public what they love about him, maybe over time people would just get over it? something tells me the 80's pop star has left his best work to the world already and... that's all folks.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 09-05-2008, 10:18 AM

Performance genius maybe.

The music genius was Quincy Jones.

Whatsitoosit · 09-05-2008, 10:21 AM

Good point.

~~ADELE~~ · 09-05-2008, 01:55 PM

I remember been home in Dublin in the eighties when jacko was touring with BAD and I swear EVERYONE was talking about him. Even old paddies on the bus were talking about him.
Everyone was just Jacko mad.
Like nothing you can imagine.
Kids women old drunkards even my uncle paddy in his local.
I don't reckon he is guilty at all.
No evidence at all except money grabbing people with allegations.
With parents like that wouldn't you think they'd have collected evidence?
But none at all just rumour to get money.
He spent his time making sick kids happy and if you are one of the most famous people who has ever lived you may be a bit odd to the ordinary man but didn't Lennon think he was Jesus?
Didn't Diana think she was queen of hearts and go a bit weird by the standards of the factory pie maker?
He visited sick kids in hospitals and took them on trips and all he got for it was money grabbing parents with not a shred of real evidence just a smear.
They were taking all the evidence they could for years and still had none.
He just feels like a kid as he has had a different life and hundreds of dying kids got to live like kings for a while and then some greedy bastards try to swindle him with lies.
I also think that he was found not guilty so why still smear him?
They shot Lennon and killed Diana.
That is the price for been that huge.
Still I remeber watching Thriller and going "that aint bloody scary, I'm going to bed now and that aint scary" ah ha ha.
The Omen, now that was scary.
He is moving to Devon now you know.
I can't wait to see him getting a chinese take away in totness!

Whatsitoosit · 09-05-2008, 02:49 PM

OJ was found innocent... guess he didn't do it. Michael Jackson settling out of court didn't paint him as innocent, it also doesn't take much to see something is OFF with him in the sex department. Beyond the point of just being shy, he has needs like any other human. His ranch was searched and child erotica was found... hmm, maybe he's not jerking off Jordy but he obviously has a thing for naked children. Add him telling Martin Bashere that sleeping in the same bed as children (that aren't his) is a natural, fun thing and it's not hard to connect the dots. Either he is innocent and trying REALLY hard to seem guilty or he had a very good reason to pay those kids off so they would shut up. Either way... he should stay the **** away from children when other people aren't around to observe what he is doing. Donate to charities, help sick kids.. all that is wonderful, but STOP with the sleep overs Michael.

I know, I know... but he wrote Thriller.

~~ADELE~~ · 09-05-2008, 02:57 PM

I never heard about erotic stuff been found.
That is a crime in itself but I never heard that anywhere except from yourself.
I am suprised they didn't go to court with that if it was true as it is an offence.
I am shocked they didn't go to court if that was true as that is a serious offence.
I am also suprised they never broadcast that about that type of material.
Adult porn is okay but not that.
I am also suprised that money was involved if his victims wanted justice.
OJ is another matter.
You can't compare OJ to this case.
Why was money so important and not just inprisonment?

Whatsitoosit · 09-05-2008, 03:14 PM

Here's the article.

Below are the important bits.

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One of the books confiscated from Jackson's home in 1993 is entitled "The Boy: A Photographic Essay." According to child erotica connoisseurs on the Internet, this rare book is considered to be "a homoerotic classic." The book, published in 1964, contains dozens of photographs of nude prepubescent boys, many in suggestive poses. There are nude boys captured outdoors, nude boys who appear to be posing for the camera, and boys displaying full frontal nudity.

Dr. Patricia Farrell, who has worked with pedophiles and their victims, studied the book for Court TV and concluded, "I think that this book could be used as a vehicle in a plan for seduction." Dr. Farrell said the photos in the book are perfect ammunition for a pedophile to use to begin a dialogue with a potential victim.

"It's to introduce that whole sexual kind of atmosphere," Dr. Farrell explained. "Then you can begin to use [it] and go on from there. You know, it's like going through a maze [for the molester]. They don't go through directly to the target — you go this way and that way to get to the target."

Retired NYPD sex crimes investigator Joe Gelfand, who worked in the pedophile unit for 12 years along with associates from the FBI, also studied the book. In his opinion, the coffee-table-size tome "is geared for people who, I would say, would be sexually attracted to adolescent boys." Asked if he considered it a pornographic book, Gelfand told Court TV, "I've made any arrests in my day and many times we've seen photographs like this in the homes of pedophiles. It's not sexually explicit, but it is erotica. It is child erotica."

you're right... why would the victims even take the pay out? but just as easily you can also ask yourself, why would the accused offer a pay out? It's similar to OJ in the sense he was found innocent YET the air still stinks of his guilt... if he in fact did molest those children then it's not so different from murdering somebody physically (as OJ was accused of). If he didn't molest those kids then hopefully he never finds himself in a position where he is an easy target again... it's easy, throw out the kiddie porn and stop having sleep overs.

~~ADELE~~ · 09-05-2008, 03:25 PM

I agree.
He is screwed up.
Nough said.
I never heard that before.
Weird bloke he is.
back to blur versus oasis now

Whatsitoosit · 09-05-2008, 03:28 PM

or Off The Wall vs. Thriller

09-05-2008, 10:18 AM	#163 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Performance genius maybe. The music genius was Quincy Jones. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

09-05-2008, 10:21 AM	#164 (permalink)
Whatsitoosit Bringer of Carrots Join Date: May 2008 Location: New York, NY Posts: 648	Good point. __________________ "It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face."

09-05-2008, 02:49 PM	#166 (permalink)
Whatsitoosit Bringer of Carrots Join Date: May 2008 Location: New York, NY Posts: 648	OJ was found innocent... guess he didn't do it. Michael Jackson settling out of court didn't paint him as innocent, it also doesn't take much to see something is OFF with him in the sex department. Beyond the point of just being shy, he has needs like any other human. His ranch was searched and child erotica was found... hmm, maybe he's not jerking off Jordy but he obviously has a thing for naked children. Add him telling Martin Bashere that sleeping in the same bed as children (that aren't his) is a natural, fun thing and it's not hard to connect the dots. Either he is innocent and trying REALLY hard to seem guilty or he had a very good reason to pay those kids off so they would shut up. Either way... he should stay the **** away from children when other people aren't around to observe what he is doing. Donate to charities, help sick kids.. all that is wonderful, but STOP with the sleep overs Michael. I know, I know... but he wrote Thriller. __________________ "It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face."

09-05-2008, 03:28 PM	#170 (permalink)
Whatsitoosit Bringer of Carrots Join Date: May 2008 Location: New York, NY Posts: 648	or Off The Wall vs. Thriller __________________ "It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face."

09-04-2008, 10:47 PM	#161 (permalink)
BMMYATSCO Groupie Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1	Forget what people say, Michael Jackson has some very good songs under his belt. He's had an amazing career. Sometimes people forget that. He's very talented. I just wish all this mess never surfaced about him and w/e he's accused of doing. I am not saying he did or didn't do the things he's been accused of, I'm just saying that no matter how bad it is, I don't think we should ignore his musical ability. I don't think we'll ever know. No one except for him. But I honestly hope he really didn't do those things.

09-05-2008, 01:55 PM	#165 (permalink)
~~ADELE~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London Posts: 466	I remember been home in Dublin in the eighties when jacko was touring with BAD and I swear EVERYONE was talking about him. Even old paddies on the bus were talking about him. Everyone was just Jacko mad. Like nothing you can imagine. Kids women old drunkards even my uncle paddy in his local. I don't reckon he is guilty at all. No evidence at all except money grabbing people with allegations. With parents like that wouldn't you think they'd have collected evidence? But none at all just rumour to get money. He spent his time making sick kids happy and if you are one of the most famous people who has ever lived you may be a bit odd to the ordinary man but didn't Lennon think he was Jesus? Didn't Diana think she was queen of hearts and go a bit weird by the standards of the factory pie maker? He visited sick kids in hospitals and took them on trips and all he got for it was money grabbing parents with not a shred of real evidence just a smear. They were taking all the evidence they could for years and still had none. He just feels like a kid as he has had a different life and hundreds of dying kids got to live like kings for a while and then some greedy bastards try to swindle him with lies. I also think that he was found not guilty so why still smear him? They shot Lennon and killed Diana. That is the price for been that huge. Still I remeber watching Thriller and going "that aint bloody scary, I'm going to bed now and that aint scary" ah ha ha. The Omen, now that was scary. He is moving to Devon now you know. I can't wait to see him getting a chinese take away in totness!

09-05-2008, 02:57 PM	#167 (permalink)
~~ADELE~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London Posts: 466	I never heard about erotic stuff been found. That is a crime in itself but I never heard that anywhere except from yourself. I am suprised they didn't go to court with that if it was true as it is an offence. I am shocked they didn't go to court if that was true as that is a serious offence. I am also suprised they never broadcast that about that type of material. Adult porn is okay but not that. I am also suprised that money was involved if his victims wanted justice. OJ is another matter. You can't compare OJ to this case. Why was money so important and not just inprisonment?

09-05-2008, 03:25 PM	#169 (permalink)
~~ADELE~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London Posts: 466	I agree. He is screwed up. Nough said. I never heard that before. Weird bloke he is. back to blur versus oasis now