Well OK then, lets just slow down and have a decent debate. Lets take a breath of fresh air, for just a second or two, and just calm down.:)

Alright! Here's what your totally wrong about, in everything possible thing you say about Madonna. And when you say "I'm fueling the Fire"! If that's not negativity and nothing but complete sarcasm, as far as I'm concerned, then what is it? You said it, and as far as I can see, you are Wrong! So better explain and give me your real reason, in musical terms. as to why you hate her so much? Lots of people like Madonna as the best of the Best performers of all-time! (And she is very Talented).

Okay, you keep saying that "lots of people like Madonna and think she is very talented" I get that, quit being repetitive. And I never said I hated her. Get that straight right now. Why can you just accept the fact that I, personally, do not like her. I do not like her singing, her lyrics, how she acts/performs. She as a performer and a person does not attract me or interest me. I do not know much about her, but that is because I do not want to know anything about her. And if I need to know anything else about her just to debate on liking/disliking her, that's ridiculous. The fact that I have limited knowledge about her shouldn't factor on my opinion. Because, let me say again, I do not care for her, so I do not want to know anything about her. I do not want to hear her songs. I do not want to see her at all.

Well in the first place, I didn't say Madonna was very talented, I said she might be very talented. that's the difference. And I cant accept the fact that you say you just dis-like her, without any kind of explanation concerning her music, not one explained reason do you even produce, as to the question, Why!? :crazy: You don't even know why you don't like Madonna, what is your reason? Just because you don't know very much about her, doesn't mean that you cant come to like her and her music eventually someday, everyone does.

I just said I can not stand her singing voice. I can not stand her lyrics. I can not enjoy her performances. The fact that I can't sit and listen while her songs are on should be good enough to not like her. And if I'm missing out on some great talent, oh well. That's all on me and my own fault, but do you think I care? This why there is opinions about music artists, you either respect/enjoy/love/dislike/hate/can't stand/ et cetera their work. I'm not going to listen to everything she has released just to prove that I still don't like her. That's not how it works. When you can't stand to listen to a music artist, you simply stop listening to them. And it's partly true that when you feel like you do not like the work of a musical artist, that later on in life you find that your views change. But you can't say that everyone who doesn't like her music eventually does a complete 360.

Let's just end this right here. Or better yet, officially on the record, I'm going to stop. My opinion is I do not like her work as a musical artist. Plain and simple.

You need to let it go, you're sounding like her spokesperson.

:laughing: Although I do like her stuff a lot, I can easily understand why someone wouldn't like Madonna. No need to go nuts on someone who doesn't care for her.

I didn't care for her early work too much. Her first five albums were very bleh. I did like a lot of her more recent albums, though. Her Erotica album definitely had some nice tracks, as did Bedtime Stories. I enjoyed most of Ray of Light. I'd probably say her Ray of Light album is my favorite. Music would have been great if it wasn't so half-baked (or short) and if she hadn't chose the most god awful song to grace the earth as the lead single. American Life was definitely underrated in some aspects imo, especially considering the warmth and introspective nature of some of the songs (Intervention, X-Static Process, Nothing Fails, and Easy Ride come to mind.) Confessions On A Dance Floor was definitely fun, though I was listening to it the other day and felt it already sounded pretty dated. I did really like Forbidden Love from that album, though. Hard Candy was a huge letdown. HUGE letdown. When I heard it, it was like a bad joke. It was nothing more than a desperate attempt to remain hip / trendy / relevant. That's not to say what she usually does isn't a desperate attempt to remain relevant, but she is usually at least somewhat clever at masking it. The only song I liked was Miles Away, though that was definitely more poignant than the rest of the album.

Her live stuff is interesting. I really really liked her Re-Invention Tour, but not really anything before that. In her Re-Invention Tour, I liked how her producers remixed her old stuff. In addition to that, she didn't sing in the super high nasal-ey voice that she used to. Confessions Tour wasn't terrible by any means, I guess I just felt it lacked diversity in the sound. I don't know what the correct terminology to use to describe the effect they used on her voice in that tour, but whatever it was, I loved it. It wasn't auto-tune I don't think. It corrected her pitch and made her sound slightly robotic. Sticky & Sweet Tour was too contrived, much like her Hard Candy album. Don't get me wrong, there were certainly some gems from that tour (You Must Love Me, Into The Groove, Vogue, and Like A Prayer), but for each gem there were several duds, too.

I like some things by her, but often these big American icons (Presley, Jackson, Madonna, Gaga hasn't been around long enough yet) seem very hyped up beyond what I see as their achievement.

I enjoyed reading your post. I think all artist have "duds" that go along with the gems as well. Its just that maybe some bands may have more or less (duds/gems) than certain other bands do/and vice versa. It goes along with the game.

I was only joking around, having fun. I hope I didn't hurt anyone's feelings, just fishing a little and I got a bite, as we say on the islands.:D

she sings live... people may have different opinions about her singing voice but the mere fact she sings live shows you the kind of respect she has for her craft and her audience.

and i respect her for it.

obviously shes a very recognizable name, mainly for her early stuff, but some of the new stuff ive heard from her Ive been disappointed with. namely, the song with mia and nicky minaj

Madonna still sucks ****.