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Originally Posted by matious
oh please, stfu
Cobain admitted he wrote pop songs, and he liked writing pop songs.
He can't help it if he became the idol of the only network on tv that promoted music, he was pretty ****ing famous at the time.
He wanted to not perform on mtv, but they allegedly threatened to fire people he worked with if he didn't.
If he really enjoyed his success so much i doubt he would have blasted his brains out. Your right actions speak louder then words.
Having kurt cobain be the poster boy for anything is GOOD, at least you have a genuinely authentic person as oppose to like AKON or some ****ing robot.
It seems like lady gaga fans like her for her fashion more then her music, which honestly bores me to death.
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You're missing out on my point, I think. I don't honestly think Kurt Cobain was that big of a sellout, neither do I hate him. I'm just using dramatic phrasing to illustrate a point. It stems from the fact that I see Ben Butler's criticisms being fairly rock biased, and would easily contend that Cobain is not that much better, or worse, than Gaga.
However, Cobain did put his name on a contract, and did collect millions even though he was trying to 'protest' the rockstar image. Therefore, I don't think he honestly meant it, he was just an unstable mind attempting to cope with becoming his own enemy by putting on a different mask. He even knew he was a hypocrite, that's what caused his suicide.
Your claims are interesting, but make little sense to me. I mean 'fire people he worked with'... what? Like... fire his band? That doesn't honestly make an iota of sense. Maybe Cobain was very easily manipulated, which some have argued about Gaga, however...
My basic point is that Gaga, and Cobain sort of empower the same limiting mindset. The same system which disallows listeners to truly come to grips with music. Their flaws are very similar. Gaga is much worse, mind you, but not worse enough to adore one, and revile the other.
Most importantly, They utilise the visual medium more effectively than the musical medium to acquire an audience.
In that same sense, I think Ben Butler, who I don't dislike, is falling for the same trap in which some Gaga fans do. As much as most Gaga fans might be into the 'fashion', I guarantee you a lot of the Cobain followers do it because of the 'image' that the media sold of him after his death than his actual music. I mean, they even sold him as the perfect godlike family man when it was obvious that he was a confused, semi-narcissistic heroin-binging maniac. He painted his house black, and wrote songs mocking rape/torture victims("Polly want a cracker?").
Nivana's music is more complex than Gagas, but honestly, not by that much. Furthermore, they're both fuelled by a concealing, one sided media which disallows superior musicians with inferior budget to create as powerful of imagery a fair playing field. Willfully, or no, they're both part of the same beast.
Which is what bothers me about a few of Butler's Gaga criticisms. They seem to be misguided in the sense that they more empower her, than they make a point. A few weeks back he was willing the homophobic nature of an entire country to attack her. Now, it's the fact her videos are 'too weird'. Which makes no sense seeing as he has an avatar of a band that has created even weirder, dare so more compelling imagery.
There's very good reasons to criticise Gaga. I think, like her insane Manson-esqe control of her fans, obsessions with stupid costumes over melodic content, her 0% originality, and such. No need to criticise her for the things that she wants you to think of her.
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