Lady Gaga

Howard the Duck · 06-20-2012, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Duraddict

Lady GaGa is somebody who has vocal talent and plays the piano quite well.

What she does not have is true vision.

and what exactly is "true vision"?

Duraddict · 06-20-2012, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard the Duck

and what exactly is "true vision"?

I don't think she knows what she wants to be portraying or conveying.

Her shows and her videos are all a bunch of "odd" and "weird" imagery that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. Take the Marry the Night video. Why a hospital? Why be speaking French? Why drape yourself in Cheerios and have a mental breakdown?

What does that have to do with the song, which in all fairness has a decent message about resilience.

I think she's lost her way. Whereas she may have at one point been about the music, she's more about fame and attention, and it's a little uncomfortable to watch given how uncomfortable with herself she is.

Even her name is borrowed from a Queen song.

I guess I just don't get what she's trying to accomplish.

Howard the Duck · 06-20-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Duraddict

I don't think she knows what she wants to be portraying or conveying.

Her shows and her videos are all a bunch of "odd" and "weird" imagery that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. Take the Marry the Night video. Why a hospital? Why be speaking French? Why drape yourself in Cheerios and have a mental breakdown?

What does that have to do with the song, which in all fairness has a decent message about resilience.

I think she's lost her way. Whereas she may have at one point been about the music, she's more about fame and attention, and it's a little uncomfortable to watch given how uncomfortable with herself she is.

Even her name is borrowed from a Queen song.

I guess I just don't get what she's trying to accomplish.

maybe her "vision" is that she's "weird"?

Duraddict · 06-20-2012, 10:43 AM

Björk is weird. Lykke Li is weird.

Lady GaGa pretends to be weird. There's no meaning between anything she does. Musical styrofoam.

Gucci Little Piggy · 06-20-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Duraddict

Björk is weird. Lykke Li is weird.

Lady GaGa pretends to be weird. There's no meaning between anything she does. Musical styrofoam.

It's all nice on ice, alright.

Howard the Duck · 06-20-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Duraddict

Björk is weird. Lykke Li is weird.

Lady GaGa pretends to be weird. There's no meaning between anything she does. Musical styrofoam.

maybe some people just like manufactured synthetic fluff

some of it can be fun in small doses

Screen13 · 06-20-2012, 05:15 PM

Just an observation - a lot of her image brings me back to Terry Bozzio of Missing Persons, a band with a a lot of musical ability that was Pop for the MTV era with Bozzio being the strong "Weird" New Wave visual selling point. It's understandably easy to connect as Gaga is talented well beyond the Pop Scene she's in but knowing that she has to create an event to keep in the spotlight (once Missing Persons turned into more less visual band after 1983, they faltered big time with less exciting music in my opinion. Their first album's sound and style were a good fit). It's the game played from time to time in music when a musician feels like playing the "Weird Visual" card to attract the masses. Nothing wrong with that, I also have to add.

Not a condemnation, but something to think about as a continuation of a Pop Strategy that's tough to play right and keep at a star level for a long time.

Howard the Duck · 06-20-2012, 09:44 PM

i seem to think she's more like trying to be Wendy O Williams (Plasmatics)

Duraddict · 06-22-2012, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Screen13

Just an observation - a lot of her image brings me back to Terry Bozzio of Missing Persons, a band with a a lot of musical ability that was Pop for the MTV era with Bozzio being the strong "Weird" New Wave visual selling point. It's understandably easy to connect as Gaga is talented well beyond the Pop Scene she's in but knowing that she has to create an event to keep in the spotlight (once Missing Persons turned into more less visual band after 1983, they faltered big time with less exciting music in my opinion. Their first album's sound and style were a good fit). It's the game played from time to time in music when a musician feels like playing the "Weird Visual" card to attract the masses. Nothing wrong with that, I also have to add.

Not a condemnation, but something to think about as a continuation of a Pop Strategy that's tough to play right and keep at a star level for a long time.

Dale used to make her own weird outfits, too. Haha. With power tools.

sopsych · 06-30-2012, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Screen13

Just an observation - a lot of her image brings me back to Terry Bozzio of Missing Persons, a band with a a lot of musical ability that was Pop for the MTV era with Bozzio being the strong "Weird" New Wave visual selling point. It's understandably easy to connect as Gaga is talented well beyond the Pop Scene she's in but knowing that she has to create an event to keep in the spotlight (once Missing Persons turned into more less visual band after 1983, they faltered big time with less exciting music in my opinion. Their first album's sound and style were a good fit). It's the game played from time to time in music when a musician feels like playing the "Weird Visual" card to attract the masses. Nothing wrong with that, I also have to add.

Not a condemnation, but something to think about as a continuation of a Pop Strategy that's tough to play right and keep at a star level for a long time.

Interesting analogy, but 1) (as noted by Duraddict) you mean Dale Bozzio (Terry was the male drummer) and 2) Lady Gaga is uglier and far more talented than Dale. I saw Missing Persons a few years ago (with Dale as the sole original member). Her singing is okay, she doesn't appear to play any instruments, and anyone can tell the band's lyrics were always mediocre. Lastly, age has caught up with Dale, so that part of the appeal is gone. In a way, Lady Gaga walks a narrower line as far re pop success, due to the lack of beauty.

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Screen13 Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,388	Just an observation - a lot of her image brings me back to Terry Bozzio of Missing Persons, a band with a a lot of musical ability that was Pop for the MTV era with Bozzio being the strong "Weird" New Wave visual selling point. It's understandably easy to connect as Gaga is talented well beyond the Pop Scene she's in but knowing that she has to create an event to keep in the spotlight (once Missing Persons turned into more less visual band after 1983, they faltered big time with less exciting music in my opinion. Their first album's sound and style were a good fit). It's the game played from time to time in music when a musician feels like playing the "Weird Visual" card to attract the masses. Nothing wrong with that, I also have to add. Not a condemnation, but something to think about as a continuation of a Pop Strategy that's tough to play right and keep at a star level for a long time. Last edited by Screen13; 06-20-2012 at 05:22 PM.