Lady Gaga

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 04-28-2011, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by loose_lips_sink_ships

I agree with you 100% on that. Limiting yourself in order to become successful is a terrible thing to do. It also implies that the majority of people are too stupid to enjoy classical music, or any complicated music for that matter.

Exactly, which is what bothers me about Lady Gaga. I mean, she's very seemingly on in it for the money. I find it very difficult to swallow that she is somehow intellectually, or artistically superior to seemingly identical music because of some short stint in Juliard.

FRED HALE SR. · 04-28-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Skaligojurah

Exactly, which is what bothers me about Lady Gaga. I mean, she's very seemingly on in it for the money. I find it very difficult to swallow that she is somehow intellectually, or artistically superior to seemingly identical music because of some short stint in Juliard.

The obvious difference between her and others is she does write her own music. She does perform on piano, which other pop acts in general usually leave to the professionals. Not here to defend her path in life, but isn't everyone seemingly in it for the money? Kathleen Battle isn't in it for the money? You bet she is.

djchameleon · 04-28-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by loose_lips_sink_ships

I agree with you 100% on that. Limiting yourself in order to become successful is a terrible thing to do. It also implies that the majority of people are too stupid to enjoy classical music, or any complicated music for that matter.

I disagree with that. It's not even that people are too stupid to enjoy classical music. Classical music appeals to niche fans while pop music appeals to a wider audience

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 04-28-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I disagree with that. It's not even that people are too stupid to enjoy classical music. Classical music appeals to niche fans while pop music appeals to a wider audience

Yes, but that's due to the subtleties of classical music. It is definitely worlds more advanced, it's just difficult to expose a "I WANT IT... NOW!!!" society to sit down, and actually catch them. There's merits in both, but there certainly is an advantage for an ear to groom itself to enjoy more intricate music. Music is like literature, Hustler is fun, but it's nice to indulge in a a good lengthy novel every once in awhile.

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

The obvious difference between her and others is she does write her own music. She does perform on piano, which other pop acts in general usually leave to the professionals. Not here to defend her path in life, but isn't everyone seemingly in it for the money? Kathleen Battle isn't in it for the money? You bet she is.

I had to wiki to see who that even was. I doubt that she's making as much money as Lady Gaga, or watering herself down as much. As for the piano playing, it's tacked on, and feels entirely like a gimmick. The music itself is obviously not structurally dependent on it, making it superfluous. It's no different than the costumes.

GERD · 04-28-2011, 06:26 PM

i like lady gaga but her fashion sense is absolutely atrocious, i mean a dress made of meat!gross.

NGPercussion · 04-28-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Skaligojurah

Pft... Go listen to Madame Butterfly if you want to hear singing. Opera blows pop music away in the sense that it forces the singers to exude massive amounts of power, discipline themselves in very strict prewritten melodies written via composer/piano. All a pop singer needs is to be loud, and clear, and they can(even if in most case they opt pitch correction. One of the reasons why pitch correction always confused me.) pretty much write the song on the keys they just happen to hit.

As for dancing, I'm not sure the schematics, but the rise in the density of dancing by an artist equates to the rise of the amount of lip syncing. As for catchy grooves... uh... basically it's mostly just simple drum machine programs with basic synth ambience layered over it, then voice layered over that. I don't really notice these 'grooves' you speak of in songs like 'Born this Way'.

I don't mean to be close minded, but pop itself is pretty much intentionally easy so it can be factory produced. Is there good pop? Yes. In the modern mainstream? very very little. Minimalist soft rock music has potential, strangely enough though, the best stuff is rarely truly applied to it's mainstream intention making it truly popular.

IE. Being the best thing in new pop is like winning the special Olympics. Seriously, her competition went from the Jonas Brothers to Justin Bieber.

In nowhere did I say that pop music has the BEST singers, nor the best dances, nor the best grooves. I'm more specifically talking about MJ era stuff. While not a pop expert either, I've heard some pretty catchy stuff I like in the pop genre.

I know opera takes a lot more talent to sing than Lady Gaga's music, but nowhere once did I mention she could sing better than opera singers. I said she could sing, and she can.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 04-28-2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NGPercussion

In nowhere did I say that pop music has the BEST singers, nor the best dances, nor the best grooves. I'm more specifically talking about MJ era stuff. While not a pop expert either, I've heard some pretty catchy stuff I like in the pop genre.

I know opera takes a lot more talent to sing than Lady Gaga's music, but nowhere once did I mention she could sing better than opera singers. I said she could sing, and she can.

You're missing out on my point, entirely.

My point is that she's going up against weak competition with a watered down sound. There is NOTHING particularly impressive musically about what Gaga is doing. She puts on an amazing show, hires the best in production, video, and advertising. She is a genius business woman, cut throat even. However, being the best at an extremely watered down musical landscape doesn't prove a whole lot.

Besides, it was a joke anyway.

NGPercussion · 04-28-2011, 11:49 PM

Ha, I know it was a joke..I didn't miss your point. I understand that pop singers are usually at the low end of the talent spectrum, but I was only saying that some do have talent. Lady Gaga can sing fairly well. Maybe 50% of singers are better, or whatever, but she can sing pretty good. That's all I'm getting it.

Sparky · 05-05-2011, 10:29 PM

anyone else think this judas song sounds a lot like bad romance?

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 05-06-2011, 01:49 AM

Her latest video's out! Wahoooo it's sexy.

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NGPercussion MB Percussionist Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: USA Posts: 135	Ha, I know it was a joke..I didn't miss your point. I understand that pop singers are usually at the low end of the talent spectrum, but I was only saying that some do have talent. Lady Gaga can sing fairly well. Maybe 50% of singers are better, or whatever, but she can sing pretty good. That's all I'm getting it.

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