Lady Gaga

Ben Butler · 03-21-2011, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

how do you know? are you inside of her head and know her true intentions? I think you are just making baseless assumptions because you don't like her.

I know because all pop stars do things to make their image look good. Lady Gaga has a history with regards to her sexuality, so a figure like her would be so important to an issue such as gay rights. It doesn't take Einstein to work that one out.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 03-21-2011, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben Butler

I'm not a homophoic. I don't know where you get that from. The lyrics were banned over in Malaysia because they don't accept gay people, surely their views should be respected, that's all I'm saying. The majority of her fan base are not gay. Where do you get that from?

She's catering for the mainstream mass, look at her chart success. Far more than a gay audience are buying her music. That's a load of bull **** what you posted there. So what if she's spokesperson for gay rights? She is the spokesperson because it looks good, it gives her a good image, that's all.

To sum up, use your head more.

Wow copying my lines. What's next?

It is homophobic. If you are fully against anything gay related and don't accept it in your society (where there are bound to be gay people and this may not represent the majority citizen's opinions) then it is so. I have no respect for people who judge others by their gender, race, sexuality and so on. Why should Gaga?

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–noun
unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.

— n
intense hatred or fear of homosexuals or homosexuality

irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

Lady Gaga has always showed a fierce dedication to her gay audience, the members of whom make up a significant part of the diva's fan base.

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djchameleon · 03-21-2011, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben Butler

I know because all pop stars do things to make their image look good. Lady Gaga has a history with regards to her sexuality, so a figure like her would be so important to an issue such as gay rights. It doesn't take Einstein to work that one out.

what does smarts have to do with being a psychic and going into people's heads to know their true intentions?

You can claim that it's common sense to assume that all pop stars are only doing it for their image all you want but you will NEVER know their true intentions no matter how hard you try.

Ben Butler · 03-21-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

Wow copying my lines. What's next?

It is homophobic. If you are fully against anything gay related and don't accept it in your society (where there are bound to be gay people and this may not represent the majority citizen's opinions) then it is so. I have no respect for people who judge others by their gender, race, sexuality and so on. Why should Gaga?

I agree with you, in this society it's totally unacceptable but you have to also RESPECT the views of other societies that don't see the world like me and you do. Surely that is a fundamental human right in itself?

Ben Butler · 03-21-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

what does smarts have to do with being a psychic and going into people's heads to know their true intentions?

You can claim that it's common sense to assume that all pop stars are only doing it for their image all you want but you will NEVER know their true intentions no matter how hard you try.

I used 'Einstein' because what Lady Gaga is trying to achieve in her current music video and in others is plain obvious. No, I can't know for sure but that doesn't mean I don't have a right to voice my opinion.

Burning Down · 03-21-2011, 03:16 PM

Ben Butler, you really need to stop trolling this thread.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 03-21-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben Butler

I agree with you, in this society it's totally unacceptable but you have to also RESPECT the views of other societies that don't see the world like me and you do. Surely that is a fundamental human right in itself?

Lady Gaga has the freedom to write, or hire people to write and claim otherwise, a song about whatever she wants, regardless of who in what psycho-conservative country feels. There are hundreds of countries in the world. Some of which believe in horrible things up to genocide. There is no reason why anybody needs to denote extra bit of respect to these countries, and be sell censoring.

It's like your avatar with Nirvana. One could argue "I wish i could eat your cancer away when you turn back" as an extremely offensive line. You really think somebody like Kurt Cobain gave a flying ****?

No, an artist(or in Gaga's case somebody theoretically attempting to be an artist) has full reign to create without limit. Yes, Gaga rides of controversy. But that's not my fault, that's the fault of ANYONE who gets all pissy, and offended. If you ask me Gaga is extremely tame, and not worth note. However, some people, and places are different.

Regardless, there's no reason why she should adjust her formula around that. It's bad enough that she's a complete fan servicing non-risk taker who will not break the paradigm just to not violate the microscope comfort zones of her own audience, now she's expected to censor herself to the whims of fascist aspects of outdated regimes?

starrynight · 03-21-2011, 05:00 PM

If other people want to follow her for some non-musical reason and she is able to exploit that then I suppose you have to say good for her. Others who just listen to music as music will probably not be interested in her as much though.

djchameleon · 03-21-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben Butler

I used 'Einstein' because what Lady Gaga is trying to achieve in her current music video and in others is plain obvious. No, I can't know for sure but that doesn't mean I don't have a right to voice my opinion.

I never said you weren't entitled to have your own opinion. I just don't agree with said opinion.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 03-22-2011, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben Butler

I agree with you, in this society it's totally unacceptable but you have to also RESPECT the views of other societies that don't see the world like me and you do. Surely that is a fundamental human right in itself?

I refuse to accept a view from another society that is offensive to me, just like they would do the same. So in conclusion, Gaga can sing about whatever the hell she wants and fighting for equality is NOT disrespectful. Next you'll be saying don't sing about Jew's because it offends the Nazi's who hate them.

End of discussion.

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Burning Down The Music Guru. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Beyond the Wall Posts: 4,858	Ben Butler, you really need to stop trolling this thread.

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starrynight Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 937	If other people want to follow her for some non-musical reason and she is able to exploit that then I suppose you have to say good for her. Others who just listen to music as music will probably not be interested in her as much though.