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Commercials create those impulses through humor, sex, and high budget special effects. They can flash on the screen sometimes randomly with no story The reason they are not art is because they have no connection with the creator, or a message the creator is attempting to set forth. They are simple reactionary.

I mean, if I were to go into a crowded mall, and randomly shoot somebody that'd create a reaction of hefty impulse, but it wouldn't be art. Same if I just flashed a million random images of emotionally stirring high budget effects to people with no intention. Now, you can use violence to tell a greatly artistic story but that's only if you know how to apply the right subtlety. Too subtle, and you risk alienating a commercial audience. Hence, you guy the high road, and avoid subtly all together because it's a proven formula. Even at expense of artistic integrity.

Some music videos make exception of this. I mean, some artists make them even without a want to air them. However, Gaga is not an exception as everything she does is about business, and no more viable than a ford truck commercial with a truck randomly driving over desert hills. Hence, Artistic as a bag of cheetoes.

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BobLobLaw

Look at her earlier videos. They at least had something to do with the music. In Just Dance she was at a party. In LoveGame she drew a heart to represent love. Eh Eh Nothing Else I Can Say was a bright song, so there was bright, happy imagery to match. The videos only stopped making sense after The Fame Monster.

Commercials can be art. Graphic Design is a well-known form of art that is used commercially. Therefore, Music Videos can be art if it is a commercial.

And even that doesn't make sense. Music Videos are rarely shown on air. If it was only a commercial and just that, why do they keep showing it?


True.

It does matter if you want to show people. You want to draw people in to listen to your music, why would you put them off with bizarro imagery? Who are they trying to appeal to? Horror Fans? Sci Fi? A Teen audience?

She's only done that recently, though. She was a relatively normal pop star when Poker Face hit it big, so she probably feels she could put more creative output that way.

And you just said she was as artistic as a bag of cheetoes. Why are you calling her imagery complex now?

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Anyone can create complex industry with millions of dollars. It's not particularly creative, or insightful imagery. As you say, it's not particularly poignant, nor is it relative to any sort of centralized feeling or emotion. It's powerful, yet incredibly shallow, and only compelling because of it's audience's lack of exposure to the divergence of imagery. It's like say... Avatar. All style, no substance. As somebody who is extremely into Kenneth Anger-style non-narrative cinema, that's how I see it.

Besides, it doesn't stop the fact that her songs are very shallow, and it's really a distraction to how exceptionally shallow they are.

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Ben Butler

Lady Gaga is a disgrace.

She must be loving the publicity she is getting in Malaysia where her new song has been banned because it promotes homosexuality, transgender issues etc...

It's controversy after controversy with her. It sells and is the only reason why she's had any success.

Well, der cos she can't sing to have her life and she/he is an ugly so and so!

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Well, It's pretty ****ing lame that Malaysia would do that. Shame on them, says I. If Gaga fights in, even though she won't actually mean it, then good on her.

Still, Gaga is a disgrace for other reasons. I honestly just see her as just this sort of sleazy cokehead con-artist who will literally do anything for money. She may support the gays but it's obviously because they're a more stable long term audience than the particularly fickle teenie boppers who are intended to grow out of things quickly. If this were Germany in the 1940s she'd probably be singing about how much she hates the Jews. Really, anything for money. Typical carbon copy sleaze.

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BobLobLaw

Lady Gaga does have a lot of style. But as for no substance, well, it's pop music. Pop music can get shallow and vapid, and can have no substance, but that's really characteristics of the genre itself.

These controversies only happened recently, though. It's not like she's doing it on purpose.

And I think Lady Gaga can sing. And she is certainly not ugly.

Godwin's Law.

And you can't say that for sure. I'm pretty sure Lady Gaga isn't pandering to anyone.

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Yet, she's making intentionally vapid music for commercial gain. She's pandering to whoever hands out the cash, and that just happens to be gays. I'm not calling her a Nazi. I'm saying she doesn't care what she's writing, because she's 100% pandering. If her audience were Klansman she'd sing about how blacks, and immigrants are ruining the country.

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starrynight

She can sing. But most of her music isn't that good.

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She didn't even really fully create the persona. She enlisted the help of Rob Fusari a producer who she basically was banging at the time. He 'introduced' her to dance music, as well. Essentially, he codevised the character, and entirely co-written, and produced 'The Fame'(even though she flat out denies anyone else wrote anything for it...).

Once she stated getting momentum, she stopped banging Fusari, and started becoming this overhyped psuedoartist whose only legitimacy comes from what appears to be an extremely temporary stint in a high end music school. She became a celebrity, and political icon. Continuing with the character/style of which she only adopted because she knew it'd be commercially viable. Not an iota of honest sentiment or feeling in it's creation.

Besides, all the people who praise her for her piano work are the kind of people who really don't explore piano work, and it's history, much deeper than say Billy Joel, or Elton John(Both of which were brilliant AND original, but not a full catalog on the instrument's history or potential). Her style of playing is basically a dime a dozen talent. Since she is incapable of marrying it with true originality, even that is a gimmick.

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CanwllCorfe

How much of the stuff that she wears is her idea? I know Thierry Mugler played a huge part in her look at the Grammys. He's a futuristic weirdo, so I'm not surprised. I'm just curious if the stuff she wears is her idea, or she gets it all from random fashion designers.

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