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I don't know why that group is being so touchy about it. She has a massive amount of gay fans and her fans don't mind her taking up the title as "queen of the queers" per say. I hardly see it as her exploiting the gay community. Would you go around screaming that Madonna exploits the gay community?
It's a little patronising to gay people who aren't fans of her. She makes the odious presumption that all gay men will like her music. Stupid too...while gay men are more likely to be obsessed with her, most of her fans are club friendly women and pre teen girls.
It's a little patronising to gay people who aren't fans of her. She makes the odious presumption that all gay men will like her music. Stupid too...while gay men are more likely to be obsessed with her, most of her fans are club friendly women and pre teen girls.
what? unless she specifically says this why would you assume that she thinks that all gay men will like her music? she's only speaking to her gay fanbase well that's how I take it. I don't know i'm not inside of her head.
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what? unless she specifically says this why would you assume that she thinks that all gay men will like her music? she's only speaking to her gay fanbase well that's how I take it. I don't know i'm not inside of her head.
Exactly, and when you want to sell your music you're going to aim it at your target audience. Bear in mind the gay community were the ones that supported her before she 'made it'.
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what? unless she specifically says this why would you assume that she thinks that all gay men will like her music? she's only speaking to her gay fanbase well that's how I take it. I don't know i'm not inside of her head.
She's said ''Ohh, I love all gay men'' or something like that before. It's not just her...I know some women in real life who assume the gay population are one big sluggish entity ala the freak from Akira, who are all the same. It's a foolish presumption.
I think GaGa is a self-deluded, neurotic, persona-obsessed woman who manipulates her fame for her promotional gain. This is half-admirable, half-fucking-creepy. The cult like relationship she cultivates with her little monsters is ultimately ego-serving (the term 'little' itself denotes inferiority. Her fans are not seen as equals, but her spawn) but she has the mistaken notion that she is spiritually enhancing any and all whom surround her, laud her music and buy her CDs. She is unable to seperate herself from her work and her entire value depends on being perceived as 'artistic' or 'different'. Her vague subscription to Andy Warhol's philosphies on art helps her justify her lifestyle instead of simply living it with self-honest. She is desperate to avoid the ugly truth; that she is dependent on fame and external approval and contemptuous of those who dare reject her, that she is in fact inspired by this contempt to a large extent, and that if her fame was taken away from her, she would die one thousand deaths.
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She's said ''Ohh, I love all gay men'' or something like that before. It's not just her...I know some women in real life who assume the gay population are one big sluggish entity ala the freak from Akira, who are all the same. It's a foolish presumption.
I think GaGa is a self-deluded, neurotic, persona-obsessed woman who manipulates her fame for her promotional gain. This is half-admirable, half-fucking-creepy. The cult like relationship she cultivates with her little monsters is ultimately ego-serving (the term 'little' itself denotes inferiority. Her fans are not seen as equals, but her spawn) but she has the mistaken notion that she is spiritually enhancing any and all whom surround her, laud her music and buy her CDs. She is unable to seperate herself from her work and her entire value depends on being perceived as 'artistic' or 'different'. Her vague subscription to Andy Warhol's philosphies on art helps her justify her lifestyle instead of simply living it with self-honest. She is desperate to avoid the ugly truth; that she is dependent on fame and external approval and contemptuous of those who dare reject her, that she is in fact inspired by this contempt to a large extent, and that if her fame was taken away from her, she would die one thousand deaths.
That is Gaga in a nutshell. Carve away all of that, and focus on raw output she can be summed up in one word: unspectacular.
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She's said ''Ohh, I love all gay men'' or something like that before. It's not just her...I know some women in real life who assume the gay population are one big sluggish entity ala the freak from Akira, who are all the same. It's a foolish presumption.
I think GaGa is a self-deluded, neurotic, persona-obsessed woman who manipulates her fame for her promotional gain. This is half-admirable, half-fucking-creepy. The cult like relationship she cultivates with her little monsters is ultimately ego-serving (the term 'little' itself denotes inferiority. Her fans are not seen as equals, but her spawn) but she has the mistaken notion that she is spiritually enhancing any and all whom surround her, laud her music and buy her CDs. She is unable to seperate herself from her work and her entire value depends on being perceived as 'artistic' or 'different'. Her vague subscription to Andy Warhol's philosphies on art helps her justify her lifestyle instead of simply living it with self-honest. She is desperate to avoid the ugly truth; that she is dependent on fame and external approval and contemptuous of those who dare reject her, that she is in fact inspired by this contempt to a large extent, and that if her fame was taken away from her, she would die one thousand deaths.
She's said ''Ohh, I love all gay men'' or something like that before. It's not just her...I know some women in real life who assume the gay population are one big sluggish entity ala the freak from Akira, who are all the same. It's a foolish presumption.
I think GaGa is a self-deluded, neurotic, persona-obsessed woman who manipulates her fame for her promotional gain. This is half-admirable, half-fucking-creepy. The cult like relationship she cultivates with her little monsters is ultimately ego-serving (the term 'little' itself denotes inferiority. Her fans are not seen as equals, but her spawn) but she has the mistaken notion that she is spiritually enhancing any and all whom surround her, laud her music and buy her CDs. She is unable to seperate herself from her work and her entire value depends on being perceived as 'artistic' or 'different'. Her vague subscription to Andy Warhol's philosphies on art helps her justify her lifestyle instead of simply living it with self-honest. She is desperate to avoid the ugly truth; that she is dependent on fame and external approval and contemptuous of those who dare reject her, that she is in fact inspired by this contempt to a large extent, and that if her fame was taken away from her, she would die one thousand deaths.
Ummm do you even listen to Lady Gaga at all? Do you not know what The Fame was about?
I don't even get what's so wrong about saying you love all gay men. By her saying ALL gay men she is acknowledging that there are different types of gay men. IDK you are reading a bit too much into things because you hate her for the reasons stated in your post and just like Plum said i thought you used to like Gaga. Why all the hate now?
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Fame, fortune, power, titties. People say these are the most crucial things in life, but you can have a pocket full o' gold and it doesn't mean sh*t if you don't have someone to share that gold with. Seems simple. Yet it's an important lesson to learn. Even lone wolves run in packs sometimes.
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IMO I don't know jack-**** though so don't listen to me.
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Originally Posted by Franco Pepe Kalle
The problem is that most police officers in America are psychopaths.
The thing about artists is that many of them are, by nature, self-centered. I'll even venture so far as to say that most of them are. Be it via self-aggrandizement or complete self-loathing and self-deprecation, the self is held as the most important thing to a given artist. Almost to the point of complete obsession.
With that, I'll say that I take everything thrown at me via any given artist is taken with a grain of salt. I'd like to be able to accept all music at its intended level without being forcefed other facets of the artists' personality, but that's not exactly easy.
With that said, I'll have to say that Lady Gaga herself is quite talented. She's not the be all end all of popular music or any music, but she's far above and beyond the norm as far as raw ability goes.
Before she was "Gaga", she was just a singer-songwriter. I'm sure that this has been posted in the thread previously, but it illustrates my point quite well, I think:
If I were at a University talent show and saw this girl playing, I'd be blown away. Vocally and musically, she is apparently quite talented. Lyrically, she's all right. All the same, I'd think, "Wow, this girl's going places." I've seen local acts and even national acts who don't possess that amount of raw power.
She could have potentially lucked into a record deal and gotten the distribution and success of, say, Ingrid Michaelson or Norah Jones. She wrote songs for other acts for a little while, then had the opportunity to "recreate herself" as it were, and she created Lady Gaga. A lot of others had input in the creation of this persona, but she has slipped on this new pair of skin rather successfully.
She is quite full of herself, but I'll have to say that the ability is there. If there was zero talent present, this success would never have worked as well. She's one of the best marketing vehicles in pop music in and of herself. Rather than detest her for her presumptions and such, I'll try to take the music at face value.
I'm not big on pop music, but I actually really enjoy her.
Gaga found a way to meet the market's need by her exaggerated outfit and musia style. Though she's daring with her outfit, still, she did not fail in grabbing attention, and that's the whole purpose of it. It takes a lot of creativity to start it off. She is indeed one great performer that has a great voice. She is awesome and sexy. And two thumbs up for her because she is not just a singer but also a composer.
I've always liked her music and performances, and I still do. I suppose I love her so much I feel the need to deconstruct her psychology, but I still respect her as a performer.
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