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Old 09-20-2010, 09:16 PM   #1681 (permalink)
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Well, alright, i am willing to concede slightly here. My point of view is of course that of an Englishman. Some of the fucked up laws you guys have concerning homosexuality and specifically same sex marriage to name but two areas of discussion and also the variation in laws from state to state are not something I will insult anyone by risking making myself appear as more educated than I am on the subject.

However, i also wasn't referring to government. I was referring to the general public.
My point (albeit my unclear point) was that it varies a lot by state. To say flat-out that it's a "safe" topic is ridiculous. It's also worth mentioning that Texas isn't the only state trying to implement these laws.
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Old 09-20-2010, 09:42 PM   #1682 (permalink)
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I can see your point and why the use of the term "safe" would be something you would take issue with. Fair enough, that makes sense. Maybe I didn't do the best job of explaining myself there.

As i said though, it's certainly nothing to criticise her for. She is openly bisexual, isnt she? I have said before that I find it hard to see any motivation for some of her actions other than attention and headline-grabbing but I certainly won't say that here. She is taking a stand against something that should be of genuine interest to her and as i said, she has influence. Maybe not influence over the government and the people with whom the responsibility of ammending laws like these lies but over a certain demographic of the general public who can help to apply the pressure in an attempt to change things.

I'll criticise her for many things i guess, but we're in agreement on this one I think.
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Old 09-20-2010, 10:28 PM   #1683 (permalink)
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Theres a tag "jewish shark face."

Sorta biggoted. Can we get some Mod Smack?

Also, The Ga was up in Maine today fighting for DADT to be repealed. Word is Rachel Maddow is aiming to get her on her show. I'll let you know when that train wreck becomes reality.
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:03 PM   #1684 (permalink)
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Can we really blame Lady Gaga for being politically incoherent?

I love a good policy metaphor. This isn't one.

Lady GaGa's rather flowery oratory;

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Equality is the prime rib of America, but because I'm gay, I don't get to enjoy the greatest cut of meat my country has to offer.

... how much does the prime rib cost? Because I thought this was an "all you can eat" buffet. This equality stuff, I thought equality meant everyone. But apparently, for certain value meals, for certain civil rights, I have to pay extra, because I'm gay. I'm allowed to stand in a line next to other men and women, I'm allowed to get shot at and shoot a gun to protect myself and my nation, but when it's time to order my meal, when it's time to benefit from the freedoms of the Constitution that I protect and fight for, I have to pay extra. I shouldn't have to pay extra. I should have the ability, the opportunity, the right to enjoy the same rights -- the same piece of meat -- that my fellow soldiers, fellow straight soldiers, already have included in their Meal of Rights. It's prime rib, it's the same size, it's the same grade, the same cost, at wholesale cost, and it's in the Constitution.
I appreciate what Lady Gaga was trying to accomplish in this speech -- getting the two Republican senators from Maine to vote for cloture on a bill containing a repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" -- and I certainly agree with her policy goals.

Cicero, the great Roman orator, remarked, "For as lack of adornment is said to become some women, so this subtle oration, though without embellishment, gives delight." Ms. Gaga seems to have read Cicero and decided, "that sounds like the exact opposite of what I should do." Lady Gaga doesn't really do "lack of adornment." Even though her meat metaphor makes even less sense than her meat dress, which at least could be interpreted as some kind of commentary on the objectification of women or the commodification of personality, or some other phrase that would have gotten me an A- on an undergraduate sociology paper.

I'm not sure from Gaga's speech whether I'm supposed to fight for my constitutional rights, buy them (can I supersize my Eighth Amendment rights, so that instead of merely being protected from cruel or unusual punishment, I'd be protected from all forms of punishment, forever?), or ask the Supreme Court to take them back into the kitchen and broil them a little longer. Metaphorically, of course.

Still, I can't really blame Lady Gaga for translating her outrageous style into her political work. Perhaps the fault is not in our stars but in ourselves. Subtle oratory doesn't get much attention in American political culture. President Obama isn't even all that restrained, and he's still considered too professorial. But Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) literally speaks to a colleague like a dog ("The gentleman will sit! The gentleman is correct in sitting!"), and he instantly gets thousands of views on YouTube. Or look at Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.), who ranted about how Republicans want sick people to "die quickly" and became a hero to some on the left. Or Newt Gingrich, who got all of us to pay attention to him, even though it's not the late '90s anymore, by talking about Obama's "Kenyan, anti-colonial" worldview. Even Lady Gaga's out-of-control meat metaphor has more substance behind it than some of that nonsense.

Besides, look what happened to Cicero. Subtlety didn't stop his enemies from murdering him and nailing his right hand and tongue to the Roman Senate's door. Then again, we still read his speeches. I'm pretty sure no one is going to remember the current period in American history as a golden age of the spoken word.

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Old 10-11-2010, 09:18 PM   #1685 (permalink)
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I think you killed the Lady Gaga thread.
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Old 10-12-2010, 05:57 AM   #1686 (permalink)
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Is anyone else creaming like me at the thought of her new album being released in a few months?!!!
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Old 10-12-2010, 11:26 AM   #1687 (permalink)
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I've come to the conclusion that I no longer like Lady Gaga like I used to.
I don't respect her as a person like I used to.
I find her very annoying lately. Not her music as much, but... her existence aside from that.
That is all.
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I've come to the conclusion that I no longer like Lady Gaga like I used to.
I don't respect her as a person like I used to.
I find her very annoying lately. Not her music as much, but... her existence aside from that.
That is all.
I completely agree. Not only through her music is this reflected, but through her touring. The Fame Ball Tour, she was much more energized and not only focused on 'theatricality', but the choreography, singing, and visual design of her and her dancer's outfits. Now, the latter tour only includes theatricality. That's it.

There was a deeper sense that she held, and now I feel it's lost.
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Old 10-12-2010, 03:38 PM   #1689 (permalink)
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I completely agree. Not only through her music is this reflected, but through her touring. The Fame Ball Tour, she was much more energized and not only focused on 'theatricality', but the choreography, singing, and visual design of her and her dancer's outfits. Now, the latter tour only includes theatricality. That's it.

There was a deeper sense that she held, and now I feel it's lost.
I'm not really feeling the same things.
I just think she's too much. I think it's possible to be fun and inventive without being annoying. I think it's annoying how she wore the meat, and there was obviously another way she could have stood for the same cause.
The cause affects me too, I get what she's trying to say.
But she's still annoying.

I don't know, maybe it's just a phase, but I think she'd be able to make the same difference by wearing a t-shirt and jeans every once and a while. Or by having worn a ****ing dress to the award ceremony. I don't look up to her and I don't find anything worth looking up to either.
She has a good voice and she can play piano when she's not banging it on her foot.
Whoop-dee-doo, millions of people can sing and play piano. She's nothing special anymore.

Edit: This is my OPINION. So if somebody's going to try and argue with me about it, remember that I can feel how I want. And that I don't give a **** how much you like her, I can feel how I feel.
I don't respect her anymore.
I'm not saying you can't tell me how you feel, but don't go telling me my opinion is stupid or anything, I'm not going to have it.
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Old 10-12-2010, 04:17 PM   #1690 (permalink)
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I completely agree. Not only through her music is this reflected, but through her touring. The Fame Ball Tour, she was much more energized and not only focused on 'theatricality', but the choreography, singing, and visual design of her and her dancer's outfits. Now, the latter tour only includes theatricality. That's it.

There was a deeper sense that she held, and now I feel it's lost.
Dude you've got a Gaga avatar! Take it off if you're so OVER it.

And Awwsugar, nothing personal but every time someone says something positive about her lately, you remind us that you don't like her now. We get it.
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