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Old 09-11-2010, 10:30 AM   #1621 (permalink)
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Old 09-12-2010, 05:23 PM   #1622 (permalink)
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Lady Gaga is the first major star of the digital age. Since her rise, she has remained almost continually on tour. Hence, she is a moving target who has escaped serious scrutiny. She is often pictured tottering down the street in some outlandish get-up and fright wig. Most of what she has said about herself has not been independently corroborated… “Music is a lie”, “Art is a lie”, “Gaga is a lie”, and “I profusely lie” have been among Gaga’s pronouncements, but her fans swallow her line whole…

She constantly touts her symbiotic bond with her fans, the “little monsters”, who she inspires to “love themselves” as if they are damaged goods in need of her therapeutic repair. “You’re a superstar, no matter who you are!” She earnestly tells them from the stage, while their cash ends up in her pockets. She told a magazine with messianic fervour: “I love my fans more than any artist who has ever lived.” She claims to have changed the lives of the disabled, thrilled by her jewelled parody crutches in the Paparazzi video.

Although she presents herself as the clarion voice of all the freaks and misfits of life, there is little evidence that she ever was one. Her upbringing was comfortable and eventually affluent, and she attended the same upscale Manhattan private school as Paris and Nicky Hilton. There is a monumental disconnect between Gaga’s melodramatic self-portrayal as a lonely, rebellious, marginalised artist and the powerful corporate apparatus that bankrolled her makeover and has steamrollered her songs into heavy rotation on radio stations everywhere.

For two years, I have spent an irritating amount of time trying to avoid Gaga’s catchy but depthless hits. Lady Gaga is a manufactured personality, and a recent one at that. Photos of Stefani Germanotta just a few years ago show a bubbly brunette with a glowing complexion. The Gaga of world fame, however, with her heavy wigs and giant sunglasses (rudely worn during interviews) looks either simperingly doll-like or ghoulish, without a trace of spontaneity. Every public appearance, even absurdly at airports where most celebrities want to pass incognito, has been lavishly scripted in advance with a flamboyant outfit and bizarre hairdo assembled by an invisible company of elves.

Furthermore, despite showing acres of pallid flesh in the fetish-bondage garb of urban prostitution, Gaga isn’t sexy at all – she’s like a gangly marionette or plasticised android. How could a figure so calculated and artificial, so clinical and strangely antiseptic, so stripped of genuine eroticism have become the icon of her generation? Can it be that Gaga represents the exhausted end of the sexual revolution? In Gaga’s manic miming of persona after persona, over-conceptualised and claustrophobic, we may have reached the limit of an era…

Gaga has borrowed so heavily from Madonna (as in her latest video-Alejandro) that it must be asked, at what point does homage become theft? However, the main point is that the young Madonna was on fire. She was indeed the imperious Marlene Dietrich’s true heir. For Gaga, sex is mainly decor and surface; she’s like a laminated piece of ersatz rococo furniture. Alarmingly, Generation Gaga can’t tell the difference. Is it the death of sex? Perhaps the symbolic status that sex had for a century has gone kaput; that blazing trajectory is over…

Gaga seems comet-like, a stimulating burst of novelty, even though she is a ruthless recycler of other people’s work. She is the diva of déjà vu. Gaga has glibly appropriated from performers like Cher, Jane Fonda as Barbarella, Gwen Stefani and Pink, as well as from fashion muses like Isabella Blow and Daphne Guinness. Drag queens, whom Gaga professes to admire, are usually far sexier in many of her over-the-top outfits than she is.

Peeping dourly through all that tat is Gaga’s limited range of facial expressions. Her videos repeatedly thrust that blank, lugubrious face at the camera and us; it’s creepy and coercive. Marlene and Madonna gave the impression, true or false, of being pansexual. Gaga, for all her writhing and posturing, is asexual. Going off to the gym in broad daylight, as Gaga recently did, dressed in a black bustier, fishnet stockings and stiletto heels isn’t sexy – it’s sexually dysfunctional.

Compare Gaga’s insipid songs, with their nursery-rhyme nonsense syllables, to the title and hypnotic refrain of the first Madonna song and video to bring her attention on MTV, Burning Up, with its elemental fire imagery and its then-shocking offer of fellatio. In place of Madonna’s valiant life force, what we find in Gaga is a disturbing trend towards mutilation and death…

Gaga is in way over her head with her avant-garde pretensions… She wants to have it both ways – to be hip and avant-garde and yet popular and universal, a practitioner of gung-ho “show biz”. Most of her worshippers seem to have had little or no contact with such powerful performers as Tina Turner or Janis Joplin, with their huge personalities and deep wells of passion.

Generation Gaga doesn’t identify with powerful vocal styles because their own voices have atrophied: they communicate mutely via a constant stream of atomised, telegraphic text messages. Gaga’s flat affect doesn’t bother them because they’re not attuned to facial expressions.

Gaga's fans are marooned in a global technocracy of fancy gadgets but emotional poverty. Borderlines have been blurred between public and private: reality TV shows multiply, cell phone conversations blare everywhere; secrets are heedlessly blabbed on Facebook and Twitter. Hence, Gaga gratuitously natters on about her vagina…

source: Lady Gaga and the death of sex | The Sunday Times


I do agree with some of the observations here; her facial expressions lie somewhere between indifference and snobbery at the best of the times, and what she's popularising now, namely the androgynous and the grotesque, are things that were quite difficult to bring into the mainstream pop sphere years ago, especially for women. I don't think she tries to be conventionally sexy, and she's probably all too aware of how she's pereceived appearance wise, but I do agree that she acts like a self-appointed shrink for the vulnerable masses. As for her singing, she has range, but there's a lack of delicacy and emotion.

Gotta love GaGa, and everything she represents.
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Old 09-12-2010, 05:59 PM   #1623 (permalink)
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I agree with some of the points made in the article. I have to say I really liked the line claiming she gives off the impression to be asexual in her videos. In a not so literal sense, it makes sense (at least to me.)

A lot of her videos do have the fast-paced, blank expression shots that the article talks about. I attribute that more to her shock art (or wanting to appear shock art-like) than anything else. Some of her work is borderline gruesome (though I find horror art to be fascinating, so it doesn't really bother me a whole lot.) I saw her say in an interview some time ago is she wants to make pop music with elements of shock art. When they go see her in concert, she wants them to love it as a whole, yet still make her fans turn and say "Oh god, is she really doing that?" or "Eww, what in the world is that?" Her reasoning behind that I don't know, but it may be worth mentioning.

I have a feeling the article may have been referencing this video interlude at her concert, I'll try to embed it for those who have not seen it.

Edit: I can't figure out how to embed it..

The link is here: YouTube - Manifesto of Little Monsâ€*ers

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Although she presents herself as the clarion voice of all the freaks and misfits of life, there is little evidence that she ever was one. Her upbringing was comfortable and eventually affluent, and she attended the same upscale Manhattan private school as Paris and Nicky Hilton.
Money doesn't make you happy or normal.......Yeah, no doubt in my mind that you can grow up rich and still be the awkward adolescent Gaga was. You just get better Christmas gifts.

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Janis Joplin was teased mercilessly in childhood and adolescense, had no self-esteem, abused drugs, and eventually killed herself. Tina Turner spent the top of her career in an abusive relationship with a man that treated her like crap. Awesome performers. Not people you want to model your life after....
Has this dude ever seen her perform? She's got immense passion.
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I agree with that whole article! Especially the bolded parts. I wish I could like her cause she does seem pretty awesome possum, but it seems like she's doing everything she can to be depersonalized. She just comes off as cold to me. Different strokes for different drums.
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I agree with that whole article! Especially the bolded parts. I wish I could like her cause she does seem pretty awesome possum, but it seems like she's doing everything she can to be depersonalized. She just comes off as cold to me. Different strokes for different drums.
Watch her performances of Speechless on her tour, it's not rare for her to cry during the song. Also, her performance of "Brown Eyes" on Jonathan Ross' show was heartbreaking. Her videos are very cold, and some of her performances are, though she has her very vulnerable moments.
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I heard she won like, 2 VMA's already and it didn't even start as yet, lol
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Money doesn't make you happy or normal.......Yeah, no doubt in my mind that you can grow up rich and still be the awkward adolescent Gaga was. You just get better Christmas gifts.


Janis Joplin was teased mercilessly in childhood and adolescense, had no self-esteem, abused drugs, and eventually killed herself. Tina Turner spent the top of her career in an abusive relationship with a man that treated her like crap. Awesome performers. Not people you want to model your life after....
Has this dude ever seen her perform? She's got immense passion.


I think people forget that performers are human sometimes. They can stuff up, be emotional and react to their odd lives.

2 VMA's already, what a free bitch!
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Beautifully stated. However, perhaps you might like to go back and read a little more of the conversation we've been having.
I think it's great that she fights for all those things... but i still think she sends the wrong message to the many many people who merely watch her videos and don't bother to research her ideals or watch her interviews etc. I had previously stated that the problem with materialism in this country is the biggest problem for me and it happens to the the problem she doesn't address and about which she sends the completely wrong message. So everything you said is nice... i just don't care. I care about her materialistic message (or the obscurity of her "non-materialism") and I have the right to dislike her for any reason i choose.

Also, i never said I don't like her music. What i have said about her has nothing, at all, to do with her music. It has to do with her image, with which, she is obsessed.
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I understand why you dislike her now, I think before it was harder to clarify in my mind what the issue was with her.

Materialism is a underlying issue of the Western world. Can't see it going away though, unless there is another world war.
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Congratulations are in order, I'm actually glad for her
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