Freebase Dali

While that's all well and good, I'm sure you can't speak for everyone exposed to it in the public and how they feel about it. It's more a matter of respect for those around you than simply bumbling about in life concerned for only your own desires and no concern for who you may be offending. Especially children. If I was at that game with my kids, I'd have something to say.
Again, it's a matter of respect and decency, not conforming.

You're assuming that everyone who doesn't anti-conform is afraid to or even wants to. If it is to be reasonably asserted that proactive non-conformists do what they do simply out of being unafraid to do so, why can't ordinary people be held under the same standard? Why can't I, for instance, dress in a non-flashy way simply because I like to regardless of how many other people do the same thing? I would have had a different opinion when I was a teen and all that anti-conformity crap had some illusory bearing in my life, but I'm an adult now and I honestly can't place any more importance on making some kind of statement with my clothing than I could on deciding which side of the toilet paper to wipe my ass with.

And the whole "if you don't like it, don't look" argument fails when lines are crossed. The mistake people make is thinking they themselves define that line individually, but when you're sharing a world with the rest of society, the lines are drawn by all and are wide enough to be obvious.

Yea, and people don't take their children to Bourbon Street to watch boobs. Obviously, their are some shitbag parents out there... but you get the point.

FaSho

I would say the opposite. I would say she wants people to judge her based on her clothing. She wants people to think she's 'unique', and he rmusic alone doesn't do it.

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Lady Gaga like so many famous artists have a lot of help in the songwriting department (as well as everything else which leads to the final product). As an example, on wikipedia, there's only one song credited to her alone on her debut, which is "Again Again".

One of the guys helping her is RedOne :

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Goblin Tears

I think you're right, it's largely to do with their personas, and after seeing Alejandro, it's safe to say that GaGa is at least inspired visually by Madonna. The music itself is a completely different story. GaGa stuffs her songs with weird images and phrases whereas Madonna speaks more distinctly and plainly.

Guybrush

Don't be naive, people. Lady Gaga is not one person, it's a whole team of producers and songwriters and designers and more.

I'm not saying that makes her music equal crap, but you can't credit everything she's done, is doing and will do in the future to Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta. While a lot of her is obviously in this Gaga personae, at the same time she's the puppet of all these other people who design her clothes, write her songs and produce her music.

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Goblin Tears

She writes all her own songs, lyrically, and composes the majority of the melodies and harmonies, then she goes to her music producers to make that transition from acoustic melody to pop-production. Even then, she participates in the production phase, by co-producing. No easy feat...anyway, artists who write and produce everything by themselves are far and few between. Prince springs to mind, but even he had some help with albums like Purple Rain.

Guybrush

As I wrote a couple of posts up, RedOne is sometimes credited for the Lady Gaga sound and he's not the only songwriter(/producer) she's worked with. There's also Akon, Rob Fusari, Martin Kierszenbaum, Brian Kierulf, Joshua M. Schwartz, Fernando Garibay, Nick Dresti, Rodney Jerkins, LaShawn Daniels and more.

Those are just some of the names of people who's put work and effort into what people normally just credit to "Lady Gaga". I guess you believe she sows her own outfits as well?

Again, I'm not saying this is rare and makes Gaga unique. I'm just saying to those who think it's genius, it's not just her genius. Lady Gaga is the work of several people who are very good at doing what they do and whose efforts together have produced a star with amazing market potential.

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Goblin Tears

The Beatles operated in a group. All bands do. Even artists like Björk, who are lauded with praise for their musical innovation, work in a songwriter/producer relationship. Enlisting the help of others doesn't really diminish the actual work an artist does, and in Lady GaGa's case, the majority of her compositions and songs are self-written. All the producers you mentioned worked with her on a track-by-track basis. The producers change on each track, but the only common demoninator on either of her albums is herself. By no means do I think she is a musical genius, and she may not be responsible for every nook and cranny, but she certainly deserves most of the credit.

Guybrush

Really? I already stated that being part of a team doesn't make Gaga unique and that it's already a common thing. You pointing it out - as if it somehow counters anything I've written - only makes it look like you haven't read my posts.

It's just a comment. She's more produced and marketed than most artists out there today. I haven't said she hasn't got talent. I'm just saying if you think her act is genius, include some praise for the designers, producers and songwriters If you don't think Lady Gaga is "designed" somehow, then I believe you are being naive.

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Well, if it's such a common thing, why is it only a problem for you when it comes to GaGa? Why are you singling out poor little Stefani? You may as well launch an attack on Björk and The Beatles, if you're trying to discredit people for working with producers and other people.

Britney Spears she is not. More marketed than most other artists? Absolutely. She's a pop-artist, so of course she's going to be more marketed than, say, an indie band. The Beatles were marketed like a box of Kellog's Rice Krispies too, so it has nothing to do with an artist's aptitudes. But in the mainstream pop scene, she's probably one of, if not THE least manufactured and least producer-dependant artists out there right now.

She is too arrogant to be anything but self-designed, and she simply orders her 'Haus of GaGa' around to make outfits etc. But it's obvious who is running the show, and more importantly, the music, which is her strongest suit imo. And I already said I didn't think she was a genius, so it's hardly me who isn't reading posts properly.

Anyway, Lady GaGa doesn't even hire any 'songwriters', so I wonder how much you really know about her.