Pop, is it corporate garbage or does it have it's merits? (music and lyrics, singer)

Molecules · 04-04-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Oomph!

The only artist here I'm familiar enough with to comment on is the Beatles. The beatles are OK, back in the 60's and 70's when it took very little to be considered 'edgy', yeah the beatles were kinda cool. But we live in a much more liberal, open society now and it takes allot more more than being psychodelic to effect people. The Beatles now days, are 'lame', in the literal sense of the word. They don't really have allot of songs that invoke allot of meaningful emotion. That's always been and always will be the problem with pop music, it's designed to be catchy, it's designed to be played in the background while your playing solitiare, it's designed to be a ringtone. I preffer music that demands my full attention.

~~Oomph!~~ · 04-04-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Molecules

What? Do you really think the 60's and 70's were more liberal than today? They were compared to prior decades but not this one. Freedom of expression has progressed alot since then, back then Black Sabbath was 'extreme', now days middle schoolers are listening to "The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire, we don't need no water let the motherfucker burn, burn motherfucker, burn". And Black Sabbath is baby metal now, my 9 year old brother listens to the Naked Brothers and also likes Black Sabbath (not trying to put down Black Sabbath, just saying)

In the 60's and 70's, abortion was illegal, homosexuality was almost completely inexcusable, women were still fighting for equal pay, minorities weren't as accepted as they are today.

Molecules · 04-04-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Oomph!

What? Do you really think the 60's and 70's were more liberal than today? They were compared to prior decades but not this one. Freedom of expression has progressed alot since then, back then Black Sabbath was 'extreme', now days middle schoolers are listening to "The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire, we don't need no water let the motherfucker burn, burn motherfucker, burn". And Black Sabbath is baby metal now, my 9 year old brother listens to the Naked Brothers and also likes Black Sabbath (not trying to put down Black Sabbath, just saying)

In the 60's and 70's, abortion was illegal, homosexuality was almost completely inexcusable, women were still fighting for equal pay, minorities weren't as accepted as they are today.

meh. The legislation's changed but society is just as cancerous as it ever was, minorities are still repressed and distrusted by idiots who live for holidays and cars, the same people that dismiss modern feminists as 'a bunch of lesbians'.

Views didn't change, the elders saw the profit in the dirty Van Halen lyrics and they let it slide. Now we're oversaturated with titillation, and people that judge music on the profanity content (Black Sabbath is 'baby metal'?). Great.
Luckily that's not a widespread phenomenon, but anything goes in the US.

Dude, duuude, I lurve freedom of expression, but let's ****ing say something eh?!

But then you have the apathetic, apolitical, 18-35 age bracket ****s like me - who aren't helping any

The Dark Ages are far from over. Heyyyy that would make a great pop song

Dr_Rez · 04-05-2008, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

You're looking at one small facet of pop (the backstreet boys, michael jackson and all that) and dismissing off the entire genre as well as making generalizations about it despite it being a very vast genre containing several talented acts like the Cure, Patrick Wolf, The Smiths, Los Campesinos!, The Beach Boys, The Beatles, The Magnetic Fields (Stephin Merritt in general is a pop genius), Guillemots etc. Which is a pretty ignorant thing to do.

Yes, but you forget how COOL it is for him to bash pop music!

Making his music selection that much better!

cardboard adolescent · 03-30-2008, 11:05 PM

Pop is more of an approach than a stylistic genre... the approach basically being "tried and true."

simplosys · 08-04-2008, 09:32 PM

I have to say that pop as a genre is by and large more or less a tried experiment that has succeeded in its purpose. Even something as common as the comics feature pop more frequently than any other genre. You will never see the Archies featuring anything other than pop, for it is the most popular genre there is. It is but natural that corporates would want to get into it on account of its reach and have already done so.

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Pop is more of an approach than a stylistic genre... the approach basically being "tried and true."

sleepy jack · 03-30-2008, 11:29 PM

They weren't much more of a rock band than a pop band. For every rock song (Helter Skelter, Revolution 7) they had more Eleanor Rigbys and Here Comes the Sun. I don't really understand what your definition of pop is because your last post has me confused. If pop is designed to be catchy and background music than uh, well background music is kind of subjective. For instance I know post-rock fans who can be fully engaged while listening to Explosions in the Sky but I consider them background music, in fact I consider most post-rock background music except stuff like 65daysofstatic that tends to explode quickly. The ringtone comment is even more subjective seeing as I know people who have Converge or Metallica as their ringtone. So your definition basically amounts to it being catchy and alot of music, not just what is commonly called pop, is catchy.

~~Oomph!~~ · 03-30-2008, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

They weren't much more of a rock band than a pop band. For every rock song (Helter Skelter, Revolution 7) they had more Eleanor Rigbys and Here Comes the Sun. I don't really understand what your definition of pop is because your last post has me confused. If pop is designed to be catchy and background music than uh, well background music is kind of subjective. For instance I know post-rock fans who can be fully engaged while listening to Explosions in the Sky but I consider them background music, in fact I consider most post-rock background music except stuff like 65daysofstatic that tends to explode quickly. The ringtone comment is even more subjective seeing as I know people who have Converge or Metallica as their ringtone. So your definition basically amounts to it being catchy and alot of music, not just what is commonly called pop, is catchy.

About the ringtone comment. Any song can be converted into a ringtone, what I meant is that for pop music, that's it's purpose. You don't see commercials on TV selling Black Metal ringtones, do you? You only see pop, and rap.

The Beatles had a drummer/bassist/guitarist ensemble, they were very much a rock band with pop elements, not a pop band with rock elements.

mosesandtherubberducky · 03-30-2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Oomph!

About the ringtone comment. Any song can be converted into a ringtone, what I meant is that for pop music, that's it's purpose. You don't see commercials on TV selling Black Metal ringtones, do you? You only see pop, and rap.

The Beatles had a drummer/bassist/guitarist ensemble, they were very much a rock band with pop elements, not a pop band with rock elements.

Paris Hilton's album had some ska in it. Avirl Lavigns or however you spell her name is drums/bass/guitar pop. Maroon Five is considered pop and they're the same layout as you have described as rock w/ pop except they're pop with soft rock.

You also don't see commercials on TV selling porn grove ringtones, do you?

general statement is general

~~Oomph!~~ · 03-30-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mosesandtherubberducky

Paris Hilton's album had some ska in it. Avirl Lavigns or however you spell her name is drums/bass/guitar pop. Maroon Five is considered pop and they're the same layout as you have described as rock w/ pop except they're pop with soft rock.

I'm not familiar with those bands other than thier name, but I'm willing to bet they are more rock than they are pop.

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You also don't see commercials on TV selling porn grove ringtones, do you?

No I don't, that's because porn grove is not pop or rap.

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general statement is general

I'm talking about the genre in general anyway.

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cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,511	Pop is more of an approach than a stylistic genre... the approach basically being "tried and true."