Pop, is it corporate garbage or does it have it's merits? (music and lyrics, singer)

~~Oomph!~~ · 03-31-2008, 12:59 AM

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Paris Hilton's album had some ska in it. Avirl Lavigns or however you spell her name is drums/bass/guitar pop. Maroon Five is considered pop and they're the same layout as you have described as rock w/ pop except they're pop with soft rock.

I'm not familiar with those bands other than thier name, but I'm willing to bet they are more rock than they are pop.

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You also don't see commercials on TV selling porn grove ringtones, do you?

No I don't, that's because porn grove is not pop or rap.

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general statement is general

I'm talking about the genre in general anyway.

adidasss · 03-31-2008, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Oomph!

Who is the most talented pop musician ever? Michael Jackson? if MJ is the best pop can offer, I'll gladly pass.

Good, stick to the metal subforum then...

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-31-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Oomph!

Well, if pop is defined by it's sound, then pop is a group of talentless 25 year olds with irritading nasaly voices. Who is the most talented pop musician ever? Michael Jackson? if MJ is the best pop can offer, I'll gladly pass.

No Ray Davies is

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If pop is defined by it's purpose, then pop is trend exploitation, corporate ran watered down plastic bull****.

Either way, I resent it.

I take it you've reached this conclusion by listening to loads of it?

No?

jackhammer · 03-31-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Oomph!

I'm not familiar with those bands other than thier name, but I'm willing to bet they are more rock than they are pop.

You don't really know many bands do you so by that you should'nt be starting up heavy debate if you have'nt got the musical knowledge to back it up.

~~Oomph!~~ · 03-31-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

I take it you've reached this conclusion by listening to loads of it?

I was raised on bands like the Beatles, my dad being an enormous fan of thiers. Between my 14 year old sister and 9 year old brother, and just the general influence of pop anyway, I've heard plenty.

Rainard Jalen · 04-01-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Oomph!

Even the obsessivly 'nueteral' wikipedia says this as the opening statement for the pop music article:

It is also an "obsessively neutral" statement that clearly went over your head. You did not understand the intent behind the statement. What it means is that the term "pop" cannot be defined according to some stylistic criteria, and that is in one sense true: the main idea behind "pop" is that it's some format that receives mainstream attention. In other words, it's blind to genre: it could be r&b, hiphop, rock, electronic/dance, punk or whatever - just so long as it is commercially successful.

That's in one sense. In another sense, pop can be stylistically defined inasmuch as it refers to music that gravitates towards attractive melodies/hooks, and fun/catchy instrumental and vocal arrangements.

~~Oomph!~~ · 04-01-2008, 06:25 PM

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It is also an "obsessively neutral" statement that clearly went over your head. You did not understand the intent behind the statement.

Ok we'll see.

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What it means is that the term "pop" cannot be defined according to some stylistic criteria, and that is in one sense true: the main idea behind "pop" is that it's some format that receives mainstream attention. In other words, it's blind to genre: it could be r&b, hiphop, rock, electronic/dance, punk or whatever - just so long as it is commercially successful.

What is that said format? And bear in mind it apperently cannot be a stylistic criteria.

Also, didn't I say that pop was commercial 'garbage' or something? Yeah, pop music is when you nueter a song of it's emotions, meaning and assertiveness for the purpose of making money, so that it can be put in commercials and in the background in movies and so that people will download it as thier ring tone, so little kids will want to cover it, so that it can be played as American Idol contestants are elimanated...to sell.

Would you consider rap pop music? I'm getting allot of polarized definitions of pop, whichever one seems more convenient to the person defending it anyway. I criticize the commercial aspect of it and suddenly 'pop' music is a sound/style, I criticize it as a sound and suddenly it has no definitive sound and it's blind to genre.

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That's in one sense. In another sense, pop can be stylistically defined inasmuch as it refers to music that gravitates towards attractive melodies/hooks, and fun/catchy instrumental and vocal arrangements.

Ok so now it is a style. So how did it go over my head? I have no idea.

sleepy jack · 04-01-2008, 06:41 PM

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Also, didn't I say that pop was commercial 'garbage' or something? Yeah, pop music is when you nueter a song of it's emotions

Uh huh tell that to the Cure.

jackhammer · 04-01-2008, 06:44 PM

I think that music that lacks emotionally honesty (to whatever degree) is deemed to be pop music in it's most basic form. If music is released with the sole purpose of making money and not honouring any artistic intentions, then a music fan can see through that straight away. I hate the term pop and use chart music as a better term.

Do you really know the best thing to do with all the music that bothers you?...Don't bother about it. I don't. I know what is bad and what is'nt. My criteria may not always be correct but it keeps my view of things easier.

~~Oomph!~~ · 04-01-2008, 09:13 PM

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Uh huh tell that to the Cure.

The Cure?? That alternative new-wave goth band? Weren't they basically the first 'emo' band

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The Cure?? That alternative new-wave goth band? Weren't they basically the first 'emo' band

Would you seriously say they represent pop music?

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