That isn't the point I was trying to make you are all wrong. Terrible metaphor/analysis

Know who's popular in Germany?

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It is exactly the point you were trying to make. You bring up some other band, also coincidentally signed to Sony (lozzles!), and point out that they have merchandize too. Well guess what, A: nobody mentioned RATM in the first place. B: RATM are a load of steaming stinking horse excrement like Oomph are. C: all you proved is that RATM are even more of a corporate enterprise than Oomph.

Supporting leftist causes while being signed to Epic. L.M.F.A.O :rofl:

Yes they promoted 'causes' so does U2, one of the most rediculously commercial bands there is, U2 was just better at it.

Using music to label and promote a cause (as oppose to express it without wheedling or rallying your audience) is a very sell-outy/dishonest thing to do. If someone wants to use music to express thier feelings on an issue, sure that's fine, but 'rallying the troops' into a political organization using your music as a label for that idea instead of leaving your music alone as simply a piece of expression or art isn't as ok, it's compromising.

Oomph does not do that, nothing about thier music is some political beacon to appeal to anything outside of music and music alone.

Like its been said before, once the band have split up the label can do what they want with the image and allow merchandise to be made.

They allowed one of the songs to be used as an entrance theme for a NATIONAL football team. Thats a hell of a lot of exposure, eh? Not having a dig or anything but thats the same as letting NOW put one of their songs on their CD's, loads of people are going to hear it either way.

Dear oh dear i'll reply to that when i've stopped laughing.

No the point I was trying to make is that merchandise does not make mean a band is compromising thier music, I used RATM because I thought they generally symbolised anti-corporate leftism and all that, I didn't really know you guys didn't think that way of them so that was my only mistake, but non-the-less, you're wrong about my arguments principal.

Yes they did.

That's not even a point. I don't care about RATM I'm not a fan of thiers and I'm not familiar with them that much...

Again, I'm not defending RATM.

Still laughing

Listen this is getting off topic and it's hair splitting, I'm not calling Crass corporate I'm saying simply having merchandice (trinkets might I add) does not make them sell outs.

That doesn't mean they compromised thier music in order to get exposure or generate sales. If they are going out of thier way to sell then why are they only 'considerably popular' in thier biggest market, Germany, and in the US no one's heard of them? They have the ability to make corporate music and be just like the bands we are talking about and clearly they chose not to. These motherfuckers know how to use a synthesizer (and they are quite good at it), they could make little catchy pop rock songs if they wanted to but they don't.

What recognition they have they earned from genuine fans, in fact they deserve even more than they have.

I look forward to it.

I know full well why you brought up RATM. Yes, they did claim to symbolize anti-corporate leftism. Which seems fairly at odds with being signed to Epic, a subsidiary of SONY RECORDS.

It's all image, mate. If you buy into it, you're a sucker. And apparently, you have. Any band signed to a major label CANNOT POSSIBLY be anti-corporate, that's about as much of a paradox as you can get. Anybody serious about being anti-corporate and against the system would be with a tiny underground label and "staying real" so to speak - or alternatively, no label at all.

Furthermore, if Oomph were with a tiny label I guarantee you would probably have never heard of them at least not prior to the myspace digital era. I'll guarantee as a certainty one thing, anyway: it may not be possible, but if you were to go down the chain of links that it took to finally reach you, you'd eventually inevitably come across somebody or something which was reached via their corporate label marketing prowess. No freakin' doubt about it.