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GuD 11-02-2013 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1379868)
It's in the punk section because they are pop punk.

Are they not?

That is insulting to pop punk. Dillinger Four, Menzingers, Mr.T Experience, Queers... Pop Punk fo sho. MCR? Not even in the early days. Hilariously over dramatic alt-rock is the closest thing to pop-punk I can stomach calling them.

djchameleon 11-03-2013 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1380049)
That is insulting to pop punk. Dillinger Four, Menzingers, Mr.T Experience, Queers... Pop Punk fo sho. MCR? Not even in the early days. Hilariously over dramatic alt-rock is the closest thing to pop-punk I can stomach calling them.

Regardless of what you think about them and how beneath them you are. They are most definitely pop punk. They fit in with The Offspring, Sum 41, Simple Plan and the like.

Isbjørn 11-03-2013 09:48 AM

That makes pop punk so broad it loses all meaning, IMO.

This





gets lumped in with this:






Personally, I don't think My Chemical Romance sound that much like either.



Maybe The Black Parade does, but that's mostly just pretentious alt-rock as WhatEverDude labeled them. Haven't heard all of their earlier/later works, though, so I may be wrong, in fact, the only full album I've heard is The Black Parade.

I'd label them "alternative rock with post-hardcore influences in their early works, suitable for moping".

GuD 11-03-2013 07:55 PM

^Exactly.

Most of the popular "alternative" radio acts circa 2000-06ish were just pop bands dressed up (sort of...) like punks/emokids to create a trend and sell records. It's a cycle that happens with every generation to every genre of music unfortunately. Calling MCR pop-punk is like calling Duran Duran punk. Granted, they do both have some ties to real punk music and I'd hardly believe FOB never heard of Descendents but lumping them in the same group is just not accurate. There's a difference between a marketed image and the culture that birthed it's blueprint.

djchameleon 11-04-2013 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Briks (Post 1380173)
That makes pop punk so broad it loses all meaning, IMO.

Pop punk is already a pretty loose umbrella that includes a lot.








Quote:

Originally Posted by Briks (Post 1380173)
Maybe The Black Parade does, but that's mostly just pretentious alt-rock as WhatEverDude labeled them. Haven't heard all of their earlier/later works, though, so I may be wrong, in fact, the only full album I've heard is The Black Parade.

I'd label them "alternative rock with post-hardcore influences in their early works, suitable for moping".

This is from their first album


All you need to fit into the Pop Punk criteria is to be an offshoot of alternative rock, with pop melodies, speedy punk tempos, chord changes and loud guitars.

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Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1380332)
^Exactly.

Most of the popular "alternative" radio acts circa 2000-06ish were just pop bands dressed up (sort of...) like punks/emokids to create a trend and sell records. It's a cycle that happens with every generation to every genre of music unfortunately. Calling MCR pop-punk is like calling Duran Duran punk. Granted, they do both have some ties to real punk music and I'd hardly believe FOB never heard of Descendents but lumping them in the same group is just not accurate. There's a difference between a marketed image and the culture that birthed it's blueprint.

I agree with some of that. Those bands were a mixture of emo/pop punk but some of their songs could still be considered pop punk imo.

Fall Out Boy, Panic! at the Disco, Red Jumpsuit Apparatus and Paramore fit more closely with MCR.

Isbjørn 11-04-2013 06:40 AM

I'd consider Green Day legit pop punk, at least Dookie and earlier (though Dookie shouldn't be considered punk in a non-music manner). No, I'm Not Okay, is from MCR's second album, and I don't think they sound that much like Fall Out Boy and Panic!, at least not on their debut.

llogann 11-04-2013 09:05 AM

Well to be fair, Gerard Way said earlier on in the band that he'd consider the band aggressive pop. They're not trying to claim they're in a punk-pop band. People just call them pop-punk because they share a lot of elements with it. It's really hard to put a label on them. Every album sounded so much different from the one before that it's just difficult.

All of this said, I think the least punk thing to do is to limit what punk really is. I know they have a lot of punk influences for sure, hence why you hear some of those elements in the songs.

llogann 11-04-2013 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1231863)
Isn't that just a blatant rip off of Spawn?

Actually in one of their interviews with AP it was confirmed that Three Cheers For Sweet Revenge is loosely base on Brian De Palma's, Phantom of the Paradise.

Isbjørn 11-04-2013 09:17 AM

A lot of artists deny labels. Motörhead said they weren't metal, and about every one of the original emo bands claimed not to be emo. My Chemical Romance aren't pop punk not because they reject the term, but because they don't sound like Descendents.

djchameleon 11-04-2013 12:56 PM

Is your new avatar related to Nekrogoblikon?


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